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I just found out, that a hilarious yet unflattering cartoon of Anne Sophie-Mutter I posted has been banned from the forum... :( I wanted to look up the "guidelines" for this forum but... could not find any! So;

-What are the guidelines for this forum?

-Is it possible to send a mail when a topic or post is banned (or else a message on the forum that a topic is not desired by the Gramophone and being closed or banned)?

Greetings,

Rolf

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Yeah, Rolf, a whole thread has disappeared as well, the one in the Audio Equipment section which had, admittedly, got a little heated about the virtues or otherwise of high-end "tweaks". Had someone got upset? I thought the whole thing was quite good-humoured. But it's gone!

Re; Anne-Sophie, maybe someone at Universal objected to your version of their copyright cover design?

I'd like to know what exactly are Gramophone's criteria here. If we can't post anything which might upset advertisers then there are other independent music forums I could be wasting my time on.

cheers!

Rob

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I agree totally with both you guys. Surely one of the attractions of the internet, and forums on it, is irreverence, absence of stuffiness that can tend towards anarchy. Without doubt, the active engagement of monitors is essential because things will occasionally get out of hand. Locked threads and cautions from mods are all part of the game. I haven't been into the demagnetizer thread since yesterday but last I saw the debate was a long way from kindergarten level. If this forum isn't simply an electronic version of the letters section of the magazine itself, that's not necessarily a bad thing in my opinion.

Martin, your comments would be welcome.

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NiklausVogel wrote:
Yeah, Rolf, a whole thread has disappeared as well, the one in the Audio Equipment section which had, admittedly, got a little heated about the virtues or otherwise of high-end "tweaks". Had someone got upset? I thought the whole thing was quite good-humoured. But it's gone!

As someone who was both a participant in the removed thread and who runs a very large forum for a living (and has been involved in doing so for a decade or so), I find the fact that there was no warning beforehand (if they thought things were becoming a problem) and no notification afterwards - much less an explanation - rather disturbing.

Whilst the forum is unquestionably Gramophone's to do with as it sees fit, I think they do need to recognize that they definitely need users more than users need them - there is no shortage of well-established and active classical music forums.

The fastest way to alienate users is to seem to be arbitrary.

If you have  clearly stated rules & guidelines, and explain why a message breaches them when removing it, that's fine - people can disagree, but they can't say they weren't warned or treated according to the rules.  

But to remove things on no apparent basis, and without the courtesy of explanation, is simply discourteous, aside from being commercially ill-advisable.

Rgds

Spider

 

 

 

"Louder! Louder! I can still hear the singers!"

- Richard Strauss to the orchestra, at a rehearsal.

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Gents

Understand your concerns. It's a bit late here so if you don't mind I'll try and enter a fuller discussion on our ideas on house rules tomorrow.

Regards

JD

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Fine! But... please do not moderate this forum to death. Else you end up with posts of things you already know, or no posts at all...

Rolf

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Indeed.  Without getting into a discussion about the two posts in question, they were brought down for what we felt were good reason, and certainly weren't the reuslt of pressure from any other party.  That said, in retrospect we could have issued a reasoning before bringing them down, and I'll investigate whether we can bring them back with amendments to that effect.  We'll be discussing early next week with a view to getting a set of House Rules in place ASAP, which will follow the What Hifi ones, though they'll be necessarily different as this is a quite different site.

You'll notice that even this thread would be in clear breach of the rules on discussing moderation... :-)

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*Sings Lily Allen* ... very very muuhuhuch... :)

What is it, by the way, the Gramophone "wants" from this forum? A service to the reader? Getting a feeling what readers think, and how the magazine influences their behaviour? Changing trends? Some of my "new" experiences in listening to classical music, especially recorded classical music, has changed rather drastically the last 10 years. I am buying only a small percentage of newly recorded CD's anymore and my attitude towards Classical CD labels has changed from "thankful that a label issued this CD" to "the label should thank me for buying this CD"... I don't think it's a message the Gramophone (and important advertisers!) would like to hear. But if you ignore that sound, I think you miss something that is buzzing around among a part of the Gramophone readers... To finalise on the Anne-Sophie Mutter cartoon; to my opinion she butchers the Mendelssohn concerto, and the cartoonist (I did not make it, it floated around the internet) got that quite right. It could be, that you don't want to upset universal, but it might be rather more valuable for them to know what strong opinions there are about their "product", or even better, someone saying on this forum "no Rolf, I do not agree with your opinion; the record is wonderful because of xxx and xxx reason!" 

Greetings from a sunny Delft!

Rolf

 

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Hi John

What's happened to the entire "Have you tried the Acoustic Revive RD-3 Demagnetizer" thread on the  "Audio and video equipment" thread?

If you search for it via Google, it still seems to exist - 

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/forum/audio-and-video-equipment/have-you-tried-the-acoustic-revive-rd-3-demagnetizer

- but it's no longer listed on that forum's 'index' page - 

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/forum/audio-and-video-equipment

 

rgds,

Spider

"Louder! Louder! I can still hear the singers!"

- Richard Strauss to the orchestra, at a rehearsal.

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And otterhouse - I think Martin wanted to address some of your points, i'll leave it to him when he gets the ooportunity.

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Hi John

Many thanks for the explanation (and on a Saturday, too ;-)

Rgds,

Spider

 

"Louder! Louder! I can still hear the singers!"

- Richard Strauss to the orchestra, at a rehearsal.

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Hello Rolf and others,

Thanks for your comments, and your support of this forum. To address the first part of your post: what do we want from this forum? To provide a civilized environment to discuss classical music and all it embraces. We would never close down a discussion because it might be a message we don't want to hear - there's no agenda behind us or this forum, and the more open and honest our forum members are about all things classical music-related, the more we (and quite possibly other parts of the classical music world) stand to gain from it.

But I would also like to address your concerns about the Anne-Sophie Mutter image. It was taken down primarily because Gramophone can't be host to a doctored image from a copyright/legal perspective, but also partly on grounds of tone. It is absolutely fine for you to express your opinion of a musician's playing here - in fact we welcome such discussions, that's what the forum is for - and I hope others will join in, and disagree or agree in a considered and well-argued manner, all from the perspective of informed and enthusiastic listeners. But I wouldn't say this image quite fitted with that ideal. I hasten to add I had received no correspondence from Universal about it whatsoever.

You may feel I am being a bit over-sensitive, and so be it, but rest assured that it was done in the interests of making this forum into the most enjoyable and good natured classical music discussion site online. As you can see, myself and my colleagues John and Andrew are always happy to engage openly with forum members about how we can best achieve that, and we'll sort some clear house rules out soon. I hope that helps!

Martin

Editor, Gramophone

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Thanks for pitching in with your responses, Martin and John. I'd just like to offer one thought.

Re. the demagnetizer thread, I thought posters were policing it pretty well themselves. Whatever was being sold wasn't being bought by most of us, and there was a good deal of fun being had meantime. Please let's not get into over-moderation. Personal abuse, porno and blatant advertising are obviously out of line but if Gramophone wants to reinvent itself and this forum is to be part of that process, I think you're going to have to grant licence that takes the magazine beyond its traditional comfort zone. I'm not saying you don't already know that, only that I wonder if you've been a bit over-zealous this time round.

And I'd have loved to see the Sophie-Mutter cartoon!

 

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John, you may be right that it was covert in its advertising of this product, but we readers and hifi users can smell a tweak that ain't gonna work from a mile away (hence my question to the original poster as to how it works). Of course it can't work...it doesn't make sense....Would perhaps a more forceful rejection of the original post by we readers, along the lines of 'This is a load of over-priced

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rubbish' be acceptable by house-rules? All the best, Myron.

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MyronC wrote:
Would perhaps a more forceful rejection of the original post by we readers, along the lines of 'This is a load of over-priced

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rubbish' be acceptable by house-rules? All the best, Myron.

No – hence the edit.

Audio Editor, Gramophone

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