Gramofile - please can we have it back?

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Agree. It's very frustrating trying to track down reviews from past issues. The old Gramofile was user-friendly and straightforward. It wasn't broke -why fix it!

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I find the new archive so frustrating for the purposes of finding (and reading) reviews that I have given up using it altogether.  Gramofile was absolutely excellent: so simple and quick to use, and so clearly presented. 

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If everybody seems to agree, will we, the readers and users, ever receive a reply, an acknowledgement of the problem, an explanation, any kind of reaction? Or nobody is listening?

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Dear Gramophone/Gramofile (to whom it may concern),

I have for some time been meaning to write to you on the subject of Gramofile.

I now find that the search options previously offered by Gramofile (by composer, title, artist, orchestra or when necessary, keyword)

, have been replaced when searching the Archive by keyword only. This latter is a notoriously blunt instrument, as my searches with it in various fields since the  1970s have repeatedly made clear. My I add my voice to those of your other correspondents asking for the original Gramofile search options to be restored?

A possible additional idea that occurs to me ( a source of income for you?) is the offer for sale of a regularly updated, searchable DVD of Gramofile. I acquired a CD-rom from you some years ago which I found very useful for retrospective searches, but of course it is now very out of date.

Yours sincerely,

Roger Davidge

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What a shame that such a promising project has been so unsuccessful. Like many others, I have disposed of a collection of Gramophone which ran back to 1974, and then found that the pdf facility for reading the archive went, for reasons which have never been clearly explained - acrobat security settings can be used to block copying of pdf pages. The search facility is worse than useless, and the OCR reader has produced articles which are not worth using despite the claims as to its accuracy.

 

No update on the site as to when and what improvements can be expected, and clear evidence that so many users have given up, with barely used forums. Log in problems mean I haven't been back for months, and then I find no improvment and no updates. As I type this I am told I can browse every issue since 1923 across from the entry box. A cruel misstatement.

 

Oh and now it is telling me subject line can only be 64 letters long even though I am replying to an existing message!

 

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Yet another voice joins the swelling chorus. I can see no-one taking a contrary view to those music lovers - many,like myself, subscribers - whom Gramophone (or Haymarket) has let down badly. Perhaps the most disappointing aspect of this question is the total silence on the subject from Gramophone and the utter disregard for their readers. This is the last pronouncement I can find from Martin Cullingford. It was in March and acn be read in full earlier on in this thread

We had to take it [Gramophile] down to protect the security both of our database, and of our site visitors. There are plans to return a reviews database to Gramophone - we are currently exploring how best to build it and to make it available to you. Your emphatic vote of support for its return has been noted, but for now I beg your patience.

Has anything actually happened since March? What is the latest position? Can Martin Cullingford (or anyone else at Gramophone) show some rudimentary grasp of customer service and let us know the answers to these questions?

JKH


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On a related note I would like to push for an ereader version of the Classical Music Guide 2011 and beyond. I just received the paper version of the 2011 guide and realized that it is insane and highly annoying to have such an usefull guide in paper only. I am increasingly addicted to my ipad and have noticed that I using e-version of guides etc more often as I carry it always with me.

 

P.S. Can we an ereader (zinio or kindle version) of the magazine itself.

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Dear JKH,

I am sorry you feel this way about the team's responsiveness to reader queries. If you look through threads such as those related to the Gramophone Player you will see that I, plus my colleagues from the audio and technical arms of Gramophone, have engaged regularly with queries and conversation. We also endeavour to reply to as much as possible of the correspondence sent through the 'contact us' link - last week alone we replied to about 70 emails about the new Gramophone Player, as well as about the Archive search facility. To my knowledge I haven't received any communication about Gramofile of late, else I would have replied to it.

That said, to address your points, Gramofile's restoration remains a plan, but not one we are currently working on as the Player has taken up all our team's time recently - the team works very hard, but there are only so many people and resources, not to mention hours, we can draw on. However, to correct a point further up this thread, it is not a case of not wishing to admit we were wrong. On the contrary, the Archive is a project we are pleased to have brought (for free) to our readers. But it was never meant as a replacement for Gramofile, or to be used in the same way, and as I have said before, Gramofile's removal was the result of it being built in old code for a website launched a decade ago, which had become unstable and vulnerable to attacks.

If you wish to know more about the PDFs being removed from the Archive, may I point you to the following thread: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/forum/about-the-site/view-as-pdf-not-working

I hope this addresses some of the concerns you have, but if not, please feel free to contact me directly at gramophone.online@haymarket.com.

Best wishes,

Martin

 

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Hello,

I'm not sure about a digital version of the Classical Music Guide yet, but digitial editions of the magazine should be available soon.

Martin

 

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I couldn't agree more. I frankly find the Archive useless. It was such a quick and easy method to check out recordings on-line! I often don't have the Classical Music Guide handy.

I also wish they would reintroduce other recording comparisons for each review, rather than waste time on cosmetic changes, that make the magazine more difficult to read.

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JKH wrote:

Yet another voice joins the swelling chorus. I can see no-one taking a contrary view to those music lovers - many,like myself, subscribers - whom Gramophone (or Haymarket) has let down badly.

Well, here at last is a contrary view. I too was a frequent user of Gramofile and regret its passing. But it wasn't perfect; reviews that I knew had appeared in Gramophone sometimes weren't there. The Archive contains everything that was in Gramofile and far more besides. It's true that when I do a search it throws up pages of items that have little or nothing to do with what I'm looking for, but it generally does give me what I am looking for and that often at or near the top of the first page. Once you get round glitches like apos for ", the articles are eminently readable; even when the PDF option existed I often didn't bother with it.

Gramofile only contained CD reviews since 1983, whereas on the Archive you can also read the reviews of the original LPs. Or even 78s. Recently I came across a 1924 review of Dvorak's New World Symphony, which began: "This is a complete recording and though it is ungrateful to complain, one heaves a sigh of regret for the Mozart, Haydn, Brahms or Franck symphonies that might have occupied these discs and given us music of really permanent value". Was Gramofile ever as interesting?

Guillaume

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I,too, find the archive pretty useless. I'm trying to find reviews of Die Schone Mullerin and it seems to be searching only on 'die'. (Perhaps the lack of umlauts is a problem? But can they be typed?) I had been specifically wondering what the opinion of the Jonas Kaufmann disc was, so I tried searching for Kaufmann and it doesn't appear. Surely it was reviewed?

Essentially the archive is very clunky and un-user-friendly. I don't doubt for that it's sometimes suitable for historical research, but for searching for reviews I'm afraid it is simply unusable.

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Speaking of Die Schone Mullerin, have you tried the Ian Bostridge (tenor) recording on Hyperion? I am very satisfied with it. I have also tried the Werner Gura rendition on Harmonia Mundi which is also good. If you are wondering about the opinion of the Jonas Kauffman disc of Strauss songs, it was a disc of the month. 

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I will just say that I share my fellow readers' disgust at Gramophone's incompetence on line.  It's not just a lack of technical ability.  As all of the complaints show, it's a fundamental failure to understand what the magazine's readers would want from a website and how they would want to use it.  I can understand that Gramofile had technical problems and had to be rebuilt.  But saying that Archive was never intended to replace Gramofile is just admitting that you got your priorities reversed, because you did not take the time to determine what your readers wanted.  Now, your readers are telling you that Archive is not what they want, and you keep telling us that you think its wonderful.  Get a clue.

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This discussion seems to have got stalled. I have only just discovered it but have fired off emails inthe past on this subject. I agree with the bulk of the comments. I did receive some helpful advice from Martin Cullingford at first but anything I've written since then has been ignored. It seems to me that the Archive is attempting to do too much. There is a need to separate out the purely archival content from the functional (in this case accessing reviews, mainly of recent reviews). Gramofile seemed to have it about right by only considering the CD era -anything beyond that is now mainly historical interest. In fact, with the passage of time, 2000 may be a reasonable starting point. But whatever, an early return of a sensible, searchable database would be very welcome. Is it possible to give an indication of when that may be, bearing mind that Martin was agreeing with this over a year ago?