Any thoughts on the completion of Bruckner's 9th?
Mussessein
Thanks for that, I really do need to buy and listen to the CD. Then perhaps we should compare notes again.
Let's do it!
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I find myself in agreement with John saying he's not quite sure if it works and Ganymede saying he hasn't yet grasped the architecture of that new last movement.
Having said that, I find I can get the structure alright of the first 3 movements after listening to HVK and the BPO's 1966 recording on Galleria a few weeks ago. So perhaps a couple more listenings are needed. My feeling on a first listening though is that the 4th movement isn't particularly strong in the thematic department. Plenty of variation mind which does 'feel' right on the other hand.
I wonder also if the way the 3rd movement ends in the original might have something to do with our cautious response. There is an enormous climax in the 3rd movement (which ends c. the 20 minute mark in the Rattle) and then a very long coda - about 4 minutes. Both these two things do seem to give the original version a sense of finality.
Hmm........jury out?
Mark
(PS There's some good stuff posted by Bliss and Chris from what the reviewers had to say over on the composers' methods thread, for anybody who doesn't know).
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Added later - as one or two posters have also said, there does seem to be a valedictory feeling in the 3rd movement as well, so the mood of the original Adagio isn't easy to follow either...
Mark
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Added later - as one or two posters have also said, there does seem to be a valedictory feeling in the 3rd movement as well, so the mood of the original Adagio isn't easy to follow either...
Mark
If I remember correctly, Bruckner made some alterations to the 3rd movement finale when he realized he would not live long enough to finish a 4th movement. He was trying to make the end of the Adagio stand in as a conclusion. That, of course, further complicates the issue of the reconstructed 4th movement....
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Aren't you fed up with all this speculation on the completion, alterations, modifications, changes, etc. of Bruckner's Ninth? If you prefer it this way or another, it's great all the way, in every way.
Parla
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Mussessein
Thanks for that, I really do need to buy and listen to the CD. Then perhaps we should compare notes again.