Best string quartets

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Strangely, Beethoven made a single quintet which is in no way comparable to his finest quartets.

 

Eh? Opus 29 is one of my favourite Beethoven works from his first 'period'.

If you're expecting it to sound like something he wrote a couple of decades later, then... well of course it doesn't sound like that.

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my favourite quartet in the universe is Dvorak's american, especially the 4th and 2nd movements

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Franck's deserves a listening. Not on par w/ his string quintet but a good sq though as usual dealing w/ this composer's works.

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I mean, ....w/ his piano quintet!

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I mean, ....w/ his piano quintet!

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Do you mean w/ his piano quintet, by any chance? :-D

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Whenever Franck wrote one work in any genre or medium (THE Violin Sonata, the String Quartet, the Piano Quintet, the Symphony in D) he excelled sometimes reaching the very top (Violin Sonata). When he embarked on the Piano Trio medium, he wrote more (about four) and he...paid the price.

In any case, his String Quartet and his Piano Quintet are supreme works in their own fields, the sort of "one of a kind" works, worthy of the highest superlatives. Unfortunately for them, we have Beethoven's, Schubert's and some more String Quartets and, at least, the glorious and monumental Brahms' Piano Quintet (also in f minor) always to remember and compare...

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78RPM wrote:
Franck's deserves a listening.

I actually find it as boring as his Violin Sonata but should give it another spin. IMO, his most thrilling chamber works are the early trios concertantes - especially those in F#m (check out the electrifying recording with Richter, Gutman and Kagan) and B minor.

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I wrote string quintet instead of piano quintet in my first post (Franck didn't write a string quintet as far as I know).

It's a pity that you don't enjoy Franck's violin sonata BR: to me, one of the best of this genre. But our idionsyncracy makes things like this sometimes. Anyway, try something w/ less sugar content: Kremer - Maisenberg (Praga), Grumiaux - Sebok (Philips)....

As I said, his string quartet is not the same level as his piano quintet, but deserves a spin or a streaming once in a while: there are few recommended recordings: Spiegel (MDG) is certainly one of them.

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It's a pity that you don't enjoy Franck's violin sonata BR: to me, one of the best of this genre.

78RPM, there are few works by the Franck that I like so it is no surprise that this piece (I have versions by Dumay/Pires and Perlman/Ashkenazy) should fail to register. From the same era, I prefer those by Brahms, Grieg (no.3) and Saint-Saens No.1.

Maybe we need a need thread for "Best violin sonatas". :-D

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Maybe we need a need thread for "Best violin sonatas". :-D

 

Bazza, I've tried to register on the Haydnesque group, but keep drawing a blank. It seems a sane and civilised group.Is there a problem with the registration process on it? 

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Bazza, if we need a new thread on "Best Violin Sonatas", this should be only for the awareness of the abundance of the works in this medium. Otherwise, the best, finest and at the same time the most popular Violin/Piano Sonata is the one by Franck.

This medium in the genre of Chamber Music is the most familiar to me along with the String Quartets and I know it quite well. I have almost any work in the medium and I have studied them quite in depth. Most of the musicians, who happen to be my friends, are violinists and pianists and they all proclaim the perfection of this sonata at any level: exquisite melodic lines, superb structure, rich harmony, a brilliant narrative (based on the cyclic form, namely all the movements are linked with common thematic material and a marvelously perfect combination of Classical framework and bold and adventurous harmonic language). The role of the piano is amazing too; extremely idiomatic, equally important all the way, relentlessly but at the same time very musically demanding and in perfect harmony with the violin's role and score.

In terms of the narrative line, one violinist have aptly portrayed this Sonata as a "continuous ascent towards the light". It is one of the few four movement full work in this medium (Brahms' third is only a weak fraction of Franck's, Beethoven's op.30,2 is simply a very beautiful rather short Classical work, Schumann's last two are works of madness, lacking coherence, suffering from a loose structure and an unnecessary virtuosity, not always idiomatic, being quite distracting in the already problematic narrative).

It is not accidental that it is the most performed and recorded Sonata in this medium and it is not by chance that it is possibly the only work in the repertory of Chamber Music that has been transcribed for so many instruments or even combination of them (Franck himself made the one for cello; there are other transcriptions for flute, saxophone, double bass, organ and choir etc.). It is not accidental too that both in performances and recordings both soloists should be top class and at their top form.

I would love to see which other Sonata for Violin and Piano could be a viable contender to Franck's and on which musical/technical grounds.

His String Quartet and Piano Quintet are also magnificent works in their own mediums but there is some stiff competition there. In another post, I will refer to them.

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The musical partnership between violin and piano is ideal for reproduction in the home environment.Like Parla I am a great fan of the Franck sonata,but I would hesitate to call it the best,whatever his violinist friend says.
There is so much - As well as Beethoven and Brahms, there is Mozart (isn't there always). Prokofiev,I like "the wind blowing through the cemetery"one. Two in the outfield I often give a play are Elgar and Respighi.Josef Suk recorded the Respighi violin sonata twice,I have the earlier performance on a Supraphon LP.Fantastic forceful performance,you would never guess Respighi as the composer.

My all time favorite recording for violin and piano, also one of my most treasured records, is David Oistrakh accompanied on piano by Lev Oborin playing J S Bach sonata no.5. I am sadly not religious by nature, but that long first movement is as close as anything has got too converting me.

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JKH wrote:
Bazza, I've tried to register on the Haydnesque group, but keep drawing a blank.

JKH, thanks for getting in touch. I have replied to your email.

regs, Barry

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"There is so much", History Man, indeed, in the Violin/Piano repertory, but which Sonata has achieved the features of Franck's? Most of them follow the usual pattern of the three movements, where practically each movement is an independent piece, connected by the musical characteristics of the key's relation. Even the titanic "Kreutzer" by Beethoven has not particular narrative or any cyclic character.

Which of Brahms has a superior role to play. They are all three very good Sonatas, but none is the superb, special, unique one. Mozart's Sonatas, as beautiful and marvelous they are, are mostly works for Piano with Violin. Even the early Beethoven ones are written on this basis.

Elgar's, Respighi's or Prokofiev's are interesting, compelling works, but they never convince even the violinists in general to play them consistently and, of course, the public to pay any particular attention to them.

The coherence in the narrative, the superb melodic lines (particularly in the glorious finale), the complex and yet clean rhythmic patterns, the greatly idiomatic writing for both instruments (to that effect, only perhaps Brahms' sonatas achieve such blend of perfect balance of both instruments' score) and this brilliant cyclic interconnection of the material from movement to movement (unique for this medium and almost in any form of Chamber Music) make Franck's Sonata the highest of all.

So, it is not what my violinst friends say, HM, but rather what Franck's opus says...

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