Curious Dislikes
Thu, Jan 10 2013, 6:55PM
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RE: Curious Dislikes
But it seems that nobody noticed the difference between carrots and carats! The Mozart Clarinet Concerto is definitely one of the latter.
Chris
Thu, Jan 10 2013, 7:11PM
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RE: Curious Dislikes
Conversation, debate or discussion should aim at something. Even the most trivial chat should aim at some kind of resolution.
Welcome to Parlaworld everyone.........
Thu, Jan 10 2013, 8:13PM
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Thanks Bazza for the kind offer. I'll try downloading in the morning.
I suppose it's too much to hope for another recording so stunning as the Chailly fifth!
Chris
Thu, Jan 10 2013, 8:46PM
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I suppose it's too much to hope for another recording so stunning as the Chailly fifth!
It's different from both Chailly and Jarvi. Slower than both (thus darker) except in the big third movement which hurtles along like Mahler with the devil in him. The other concerti grossi are equally fascinating (although I have yet to hear the last two). Gidon Kremer is the soloist in a few of the works.
Thu, Jan 10 2013, 10:44PM
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RE: Curious Dislikes
I suppose it's too much to hope for another recording so stunning as the Chailly fifth!
Chris
The Chailly fifth. Is that a fine symphony. Better than Bernsteins sixth or Karajans ninth. We are indeed privileged to have three such fine composers.I
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 11:04AM
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This probably isn't the place but:
conversations which include contributors with agendas are doomed to failure unless you ignore them, ideally free spirits enter conversations without any guiding principles allowing the contributions to suggest diversions, recaps, appreciation of others viewpoints or otherwise but in a non-directional, sometimes even serendipitous way and ( if I recall my student days) with tendentious contributions accepted for what they are and extended, expanded to absurdity unless someone, maybe inadvertently, breaks the spell ( or hasn't got the joke) and we're back to a slightly more orthodox rambling stream-of-consciousness .....er....um.....conversation.
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 9:56AM
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Your contribution, Sir Clive, seems as one with an agenda too. A "free" agenda, but with a clear "direction" and guidelines. Well done!
Parla
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 10:17AM
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Thanks Clive. You're quite right.
Any chance we could get back to the original issue for a little bit: works we don't like by composers we otherwise love?
It is obviously going to be necessary to completely ignore everything Parla says from now on. Whenever I see his name, I will just scroll down - and pretend there was nothing there. I won't even read it. Other members have advised this before now, but I didn't really understand the wisdom of it until today.
Bye-bye Parla! (or is that auf wiedersehen?)
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 10:21AM
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Fri, Jan 11 2013, 5:09PM
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"Pretend that it/he does not exist". That's wisdom indeed. However, there is no bye-bye in Internet forums. So, Eliza, willkommen nochmal!
"The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials" (Lin Yutang).
Parla
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 5:58PM
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I won't even read it. Other members have advised this before now, but I didn't really understand the wisdom of it until today.
Atta-girl, Eliza. The forum is just about to become 500% more interesting and approachable for you!
I've been trying to think of some works that match your criterion but have so far drawn a blank. I thought the Sibelius fiddle concerto might be a candidate - but I played it and loved it. Now I am wondering if its really possible to despite something major by a composer whose wavelength we are on? And that makes me wonder again how you can be so turned off by the clarinet concertos slow movement when you adore Elvira Madigan's. They are much of a muchness to me.
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 6:35PM
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Thanks, Bazza. It's already much better.
No, I think they are quite different. Different sound worlds (muted strings in no 21, bitter-sweet, sherbetty woodwind), different pacing (constant melodic flow of the andante, not the slow dragging wallow of the clarinet concerto), and very different moods: anguished minor key passages in the andante; "autumnal repose" in the clarinet.......etc
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 7:07PM
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I agree with Parla. This is an internet forum for public use. As they say in soccer, play the ball and not the man. The argument is what is important. I know playing the man is what happens at Upton Park but even Bazza must realise how childish his comments are, you are not on 'your manor' here Bazza.
Fri, Jan 11 2013, 8:07PM
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Eliza wrote "not the slow dragging wallow of the clarinet concerto" !!!!
Again, it's Mozart fault, not your blind spot! What exactly are you after here?
Earlier you wrote (addressing Parla): "the door is locked and that is just about all that matters: the work remains dead to me. You might not find this an "interesting" question".
Where is the question here. In my book that's a statement with a big fullstop at the end.
Chris
"Poor" Eliza. You don't get it either.
Conversation, debate or discussion should aim at something. Even the most trivial chat should aim at some kind of resolution.
Fortunately, both me and my wife are so busy to merely chat without a purpose. We have plenty to deal with and even to resolve. By the way, carrots, peas or brussels sprouts are fine with us. Any other vegetable or fruit to exchange views vis a vis Mozart's Clarinet dreadful works?
That's a curious chat anyway, my wife notices...What's next?
Parla