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Andrew Mellor wrote:

I somehow missed that the Irgens-Jensen has been mentioned already at the top of the post, sorry!

But if two of us (or three, or four) are discussing it, then justification enough!

 

Don't apologise as the more this gets a mention the more chance that the curious will go out and get the disc and be suitably wowed!

I did, and I was.

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I don't own a copy of Bach's C minor. I see that there is one vote for a recording by P. Hurford. Any other votes and comments would be greatly appreciated!

The Irgens-Jensen piece is intriguing too! :-)

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Petra

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Petra, for the great Passacaglia of Bach, these are some of my options of available (I believe) recordings:

From the older performers, Gilian Weir is superb (reissued on Eloquence), but the sound is not the best. Ton Koopman is also an interesting choice (on Archiv), but the recording cannot do full justice to the work either.

From the more recent ones, C. Herrick is always a safe recommendation, in good sound from Hyperion. The best sound comes from H. Albrecht, on Oehms, in SACD format. He is a great organist too and he performs on a superb instrument.

Finally, there is Daniel Chorzempa, a very reliable organist from the Netherlands, in a recording from the 70s, but reworked in very impressive SACD sound by Pentatone.

Good hunting,

Parla

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Chris, I have Buxtehude's Passacaglia with Herrick. He is always good, but a bit cool for such a work.

I would prefer the other two options from the ones I mentioned in my previous post, the one from MDG for the superb sound (and performance) and Koopman for his uniquely spiritual way to communicate the works of the composers of this era.

For the Complete Organ Works of Buxtehude, seek for the 5 CD Set of the French Ricercar, with the great French organist Bernard Foccroulle, performing on two historical Schnitger instruments. The recording is of demonstration quality, at least to my hi-end system.

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Parla, thanks for the suggestions for the Buxtehude.  I'd completely forgotten about Koopman's ongoing series.  His performances of Bach are the very opposite of 'dry' and might well be better for Buxtehude.  Degree of ornamentation is rather a personal thing but in the big Bach Preludes and Fugues I am sometimes irritated (especially after repeated hearing) by his habit of ornamenting fugue entries even at their first appearance.  But Buxtehude is not Bach and too dry an approach there may be less successful. Anyway I see that Amazon offers MP3 downloads of single pieces from many of these CDs so with very little expenditure it is possible to sample different recordings.  I'm certainly going to try Koopman, and Gillian Weir too, an organist I admire greatly.

Petra, another possibility for the Bach Passacaglia is Karl Richter: one of the finest organ records he ever made: a very 'rhetorical' performance. Played on a fine Silbermann organ in Freiberg, Saxony. Not at all dry and very well recorded.

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Chris and Parla,

Thank you very much for your recommendations. I have very little organ music and so have been pondering as to which recording(s) to choose, so I appreciate the help!

Best wishes,

Petra

 

 

 

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Having just spent part of today with Irgens-Jensen (pretty quick the boys at Naxos) it is a great piece yes.

It's symphonic in scope, to my mind, what with the 5 minute introduction and the fugal section towards the end.

Did anybody else listen to the Symphony in D minor on the same disc, and if so, what did people think? Good stuff again in my opinion. Great melodic invention and forward momentum in both works.

Thanks again Troyen, Andrew et al...that composer is a new discovery for me.

Mark

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partsong wrote:

Having just spent part of today with Irgens-Jensen (pretty quick the boys at Naxos) it is a great piece yes.

It's symphonic in scope, to my mind, what with the 5 minute introduction and the fugal section towards the end.

Did anybody else listen to the Symphony in D minor on the same disc, and if so, what did people think? Good stuff again in my opinion. Great melodic invention and forward momentum in both works.

Thanks again Troyen, Andrew et al...that composer is a new discovery for me.

Mark

I bought it for the symphony, really fine, but was bowled over by the Passacaglia.

The little Air is fine, too.

More, please, Naxos!

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Apparently Irgens-Jensen was not such a prolific composer, but his rather few known works are of considerable significance for the otherwise not very rich Norwegian tradition. To me, he sounds mostly closer to tradition rather to the innovative ones.

His song cycle Japanischer Fruhling (Japanese Spring) sounds quite interesting and quite far-oriental (is sung in the original Japanese). It exists on Simax, but I have it in the more interesting and passionate version with the great female advocate of the Norwegian song, Solveig Kringelborn, on the obscure Norwegian label NMA (the CD is called "To a Friend"). 

Simax had also recorded his Oratorio Heimferd. I wouldn't recommend it though.

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parla wrote:

Apparently Irgens-Jensen was not such a prolific composer, but his rather few known works are of considerable significance for the otherwise not very rich Norwegian tradition. To me, he sounds mostly closer to tradition rather to the innovative ones.

His song cycle Japanischer Fruhling (Japanese Spring) sounds quite interesting and quite far-oriental (is sung in the original Japanese). It exists on Simax, but I have it in the more interesting and passionate version with the great female advocate of the Norwegian song, Solveig Kringelborn, on the obscure Norwegian label NMA (the CD is called "To a Friend"). 

Simax had also recorded his Oratorio Heimferd. I wouldn't recommend it though.

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Not really. I do have the recordings I mentioned. The Japanese Spring is among the favourites of mine and my wife (you see as Chinese, she appreciates everything far-oriental).

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Hi Chris, Parla et al...

The Herrick vol.4 of Buxtehude arrived yesterday. Great listening, and Herrick a very fine organist. He seems to me to have the measure of Buxtehude though I am new to this great composer.

As explained in the sleeve notes Chris, the organ of Trinity College Cambridge was built by the Swiss firm of Metzler Sohne in 1976. It also incorporates the surviving pipework of two much earlier organs built in 1694 and 1708. It is a three manual organ.

My only slight criticism is that the registration sounds a bit 'raspy' here and a bit 'fuzzy' there. For example, track 9, Canzona in G Minor, Bux WV 173 is a bit raspy alright, and the registration used on that piece was the Spitzflote and the Vox Humana. Well, the spitzflote is a bit thin and nasal sounding in my book anyway.

Some excellent pieces here-too many to choose from really. The Toccata in F Major BuxWV 156 is a goodie, as is the shorter one in G Major Bux WV164. Lots of lovely chorale preludes and fantasias which sent me scuttling off to find my Riemenschneider, including one that really stands out for me which is Gott der Vater wohn uns bei, BuxWV 190, track 11 (yes it is in Riemenschneider). Happy school days of harmonizing Bach chorales a plenty with the aim of minimal red ink corrections!

The Passacaglia in D Minor 161 is taken at a much faster tempo than I thought it would be!Not by any means slow and solemn. You hardly notice the repetitions of the ground bass in the pedal part as there is quite a bit of tension in the manual parts.

And a rather nice In dulci iubilo track 17, though I can never get Mike Oldfield's version out of my head!

Mark

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Thanks Mark for all the information. It sounds like a nice mixture of pieces. I'd forgotten that I used to know that organ quite well.  A friend of mine had played it often whilst a student, and I heard him play it once.  But no Buxtehude.  

Herrick seems to like Metzler as an organ builder.  His Bach Preludes and Fugues on Hyperion are played on the Metzler in the Jesuitenkirche in Luzern (the firm's Op.521, it says in the notes: that's a lot of organs!). Sometimes I find Herrick's Bach Preludes and Fugues  a little over-registered, if you see what I mean.  Maybe I should try one volume rather than wait for the set.  I'd like to try the Koopman too, that Parla mentioned.  In the passacaglia Walcha takes 6'25". How does that compare with Herrick's faster tempo than you were expecting?

I'm still thinking of downloading the Walcha MP3 version of all the Buxtehude pieces he recorded.  Mostly Preludes and Fugues, no chorale preludes.

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Hi Chris! Thanks for that.

The Passacaglia in D Minor clocks in at 5'17, so it is quite a bit faster than the Walcha!

Regards

Mark

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Hi Chris et al!

Thanks Chris for that information - sorry rushing last night!

Metzler are listed in Wikipedia as one of the major European organ builders:It mentions the organ in Lucerne that you wrote of. Apparently two in Great Britain (only?)- the one at Trinity Cambridge and one in the church of St. Mary the Virgin Oxford.

(Generally the organ on the Herrick has a lovely 'breathy' sound if you know what I mean.)

Another contemporary passacaglia I have found is again by Penderecki from his very interesting third symphony, movement 4. Once again there is the same technique of the repeated D's as he used in the Magnificat Passacaglia, but this time repeated in threes and fours rather than in 13's as in the earlier work. It has a really solemn and brooding mood (one of Penderecki's hallmarks) but does contain some beautiful moments as relief at the end of the movement. Overall, his third symphony is a very satisfying work to me and my favourite symphony of his so far.

Mark