Great Sibelius Conductors
I find all this a bit dismal. We all have our favourite performances but, surely, NONE are "best" - it is all subjective and one man's meat is another man's poison.
If the intention is to draw attention to lesser-known performances/recordings or just to state one's preferences then that is fine but please don't try to "grade" Kajanus, Bernstein, C. Davis, Vänskä, Sanderling, Karajan, Berglund, Beecham, Barbirolli, Blomstedt, Järvi, Segerstam, Maazel, Anthony Collins et al.
Speaking personally I had the great privilege of studying some of these scores (in particular the 7th symphony) with Paavo Berglund back in the 70's - that has certainly clouded by subjective judgement and I am addicted to his Bournemouth Set (now available at less than a tenner on EMI). But I do not claim these are in any way "the best" and would not presume to "grade" such great musicians.
Mikeh
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I was responsible for originating the grading - and what is wrong with that? It is only another way of saying "I prefer X to Y in Sibelius". Personally, I don't much like Berglund's abstract approach to the composer but that doesn't mean he was no good as a conductor of Sibelius (though I am a little suspicious because he never made much of a mark in other composers - correct me if I'm wrong).
Adrian
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That's Sibelius allright. He loved absolutely everything. The mere fact that a conductor chose to play and record his works guaranteed a positive review.
I'd be the same. Who wants to play my symphonies? You'd get the composer's thumbs up, no matter how bad the performance. I'd even sign a contract saying so. It's a no-risk business.
Ah well, one can dream.
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I heard an anecdote once where William Walton would always go backstage and tell a conductor of one of his works that it was the best performance he'd ever heard -- thereby assuring that he would program it again. :-)
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Hi Adrian
Try Berglund's Shostakovich, Brahms and Smetana! But I do agree his range was a bit limited!
Mikeh
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Hardymike, you're quite right: "NONE is best". However, they are not ALL the same. Some are closer to the heart of the matter; some recordings are better or much better; some productions are greater in their respective formats. So, we should not denigrate any conductor, but it could be interesting if we would trace a common ground in our interests and findings.
By the way, Berglund is fine with me, but his recordings turned pale, as "good" products, in comparison with more recent (even in less important performances) superb recordings (on BIS, Pentatone or Exton).
Parla
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Early Grey,
You where right! This Monteux recording of Sibelius 2nd. is very interesting! Thanks for share.
''Funnily enough, I just uploaded the London Symphony Orchestra's
Sibelius 2nd Symphony under Pierre Monteux and while you may not find
the transfer awesome ( although it seems pretty good to me) I think
you'll agree the interpretation is easily that.
http://www.cliveheathmusic.co.uk/vinyl.php
I'm just processing the Munch Saint-Saens Organ Symphony so while I
can't claim anything in respect of the Bruckner Te Deum ( discussed in
another thread) at least the last movement of this work will give food
for thought regarding the ability of vinyl to cope with complexity. It
should be up in a day or two. In any case for demanding trackability
check out the opening of the Respighi, Pines of Rome, which you'll find
with the Sibelius, for a piece of music that would have done well as a
test of your V15 III on the "Shure" LP.''
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Bernstein: E (DG); A (2, 5, 7 CBS/Sony)
C. Davis: A (Philips); C - D (RCA)
Vänska: A - D (BIS1); C (BIS 2)
Sanderling: C (Berlin Classics)
Karajan: A++++++ (DG: Symphony No. 7; Tapiola No. 2, EMI: Symphony No. 6); B - C (DG: 4 - 6); B (EMI: Symphonies 1 -2); A (EMI: Symphony No. 2, Phil.)
Berglund: D (Symphonies); A++++++ (EMI: Kullervo 1/2)
Beecham: D
Barbirolli: E
Blomstedt: C
Järvi: C (Symphonies); A++++++ (Origin of Fire BIS)
Segerstam: D
Anthony Collins: A (performance); D (sound)
You have not mentioned Simon Rattle, who I find the best of all those conductors I have listened to. I would award an A to all his recordings, although I admit that some were not his final word. I cannot wait for him to leave the "Sibelius-feindliche" BPO! (Although I would like to listen to the cycle he gave with them two years ago in decent sound).
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I heard a similar anecdote attributed to Sibelius: he would telegram them, declaring that they were now his favourite conductor!
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The George Szell Tokyo recording is available via Amazon. I bought it on David Horowitz's recommendation. He's right that it is even higher powered that the Concertgebouw performance, but the acoustic is terribly unatmospheric. What a shame.
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As promised earlier and quoted above, my vinyl transfer of Saint-Saens 3rd Symphony has been added to my site, a little late because I found the opening bars marred by excess noise which I have not been able to overcome ( and it was Easter!). Nevertheless the damage is very slight and after the short quiet preamble to the Allegro first movement you will enjoy the airy acoustic, the spacious recording and the marvellous interpretation. In the last movement you will be able to hear for yourself that vinyl can cope perfectly well with organ, cymbals, strings and brass which suggests that the addition of a choir should not prove a problem.
http://www.cliveheathmusic.co.uk/vinyl.php
Apart from the Sibelius 2 (whose thread this is) from Monteux, another recent addition is the Previn, LSO, Rachmaninov 2 sounding equally amazing.
clive heath
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Dear Clive,
congratulations, you are doing a great and invaluable job!. oscar.olavarria
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Interesting debate re Sibelius recordings - also interesting that I played on a number of Gibson's recordings in the 1960s-70s, and Tagalie, I was in the orchestra playing at Massey Hall in Toronto in November 1975.
I've moved on since those days, though, and I note that no-one has mentioned Sakari Oramo's (admittedly limited) output with the CBSO.
His readings are pretty fresh and interesting.
Ruref
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Interesting debate re Sibelius recordings - also interesting that I played on a number of Gibson's recordings in the 1960s-70s, and Tagalie, I was in the orchestra playing at Massey Hall in Toronto in November 1975.
Thanks for that RUREF. Always nice when someone takes the time to make a connection, no matter how distant. I'm trying to recall what else you played. I know I heard Sibelius 6 live somewhere around that time but surely in a different concert.
Toronto had an interesting music scene in the mid-70s, Ancerl then Davis in charge, visits from the SNO and Leningrad Phil, Mahler at a time when he was more of a rarity, a Pavarotti recital to a half-empty hall, Paul Desmond playing (and knocking back martinis no doubt) down at the Bourbon Street club. I still have some of the old concert listings and it does seem to me that programming was more adventurous than today. I also enjoyed Massey Hall, a ramshackle place but with character and pretty good sound.
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If anyone has mentioned Rozhdestvensky's version then I dropped off to sleep for a few seconds. Although it is on the expensive side and the recording is not the best balanced - the brass in particular are too much to the fore - for sheer raw, almost apocalyptic, power it is unbeaten. The dark looming forests and the fear and awe they can provoke are evoked so vividly yet in a work like the 6th there is great poetry too.
Adrian