Hate or just dislike? Individual works or everything from a particular composer? Hate is too strong and I can't think of much I hate but quite a bit I dislike and some I find overrated.
Agreed. I too find it difficult to conceive of hating a piece of music or composer. I generally find Brahms fairly tedious, a few exceptions apart, but recognise that's something that's missing in me rather than him. Others think that Bruckner (whom I find truly great) is more soporific than an overdose of laudanum. The Brahms/Bruckner divide has of course been around since they were, but one personal divide I've never been able to work out is why I respond to Vaughan Williams but not Elgar, despite years of trying.
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If only that last piece of my incompetent cutting and pasting had said ended in a noun rather than an adjective, it might have been an accurate description of the poster!
I actually hate most of the posters to this particular forum, particularly Parla. What a bunch of "haters" while actually missing the fun of the article. I was looking forward to a lively discussion, instead I got exactly what his article was trying to avoid - a bunch of old ladies tsking somebodie's "impolite" comment that they don't absolutely adore a "great."
For me, I can live without particular instruments - the harp & harpsicord - the whole period instrument thing went way too far.
I am also strongly inclined towards smaller chamber works than longer-winded symphonies, even the "greats."
Missing the fun, Vintrepid, in degrading, disregarding or dismissing Music Masters and declaring it too. There is much more serious damage than the fun the article may imply. It's like someone who tries to ignite in you anything negative you might feel about your actual friends and make you say it in public, convincing you that this fun and O.K.
The problem is that instead there is a lot of fun, missing in the music you try to identify you "hate".So, indulging a little bit harder and with some knowledge or extra "help" from your friends, you will enjoy the fun existing in harp and harpsichord music (if you are really interested I can recommend quite a few CDs in this field as well as any other you may find "negative territory" for your world).
As very wisely JKH put it, there is nothing wrong to..."hate", dislike, disdain (or any other negative verb) any composer, work or category of Classical Music, as long as you keep it for yourself and your friends when you chat. In a public forum, however, only as a negative campaign it may work and the fun is that our flaws and deficits in music are transferred to the composers, works and even instruments. What else do we have to experience rather than the actual music's benefits?
Do you behave this way in your everyday existence? Rising, that is, to every pointless banality and making things worse in the process?
Is there anything musical you haven't an opinion on because if there is I will start a thread on it even at the risk of attracting more detritus from the Brodskysaurus, thud, thud?
Try this thread, Troyen1: "The role of the Recorder in the music of Telemann". It's an obscure territory of my knowledge. I doubt the Dr. Brodsky's followers might have much to say...
You always misread my posts. Are you dyslexic, in which case I will apologise?
Go back and you will see that I did not ask about your knowledge but whether there was anything that you did not have an opinion on.
You are, then, supposed to reply that, for example, you had no interest in any music written between 1801 and 1851 ( I wish) unless it was written by Beethoven, etc.
Telemann, indeed, one of a number of muzak composers that litter the 18th century with more rubbish than can be found in a football stadium after a game (oh dear, I've done it again - waits for response from lovers of Telemann's boring muzak to tell me I should listen to his oratorio on getting a good nights sleep before I pass judgement<yawn>).
This time you didn't get my joke. You took my post to the letter.
Anyway, I have opinion on any subject I happened to know. Since I listen to almost any period and any form of music, I can have some opinion like those who happen to have done the same.
By the way, even accidentally, I can always find out some very interesting aspects of your involvement in Classical Music. Your wrath on Telemann was a revelation to me. I wonder how quite a few very respectable musicians (e.g. Gustav Leonhardt), conductors (Harnoncourt), professors, scholars, reviewers etc might feel with your comments. By the way, Bach (and some of the most significant of his sons, at least) appreciated Telemann's work, which is not that different than the ones of the greatest masters of the period. But, anyway, what do they know, after all?
However, you gave me a rather good idea for a new thread...We'll see...
I don't think that the question really is what music one hates or dislikes. In my experience it is more a question of music that you have not yet allowed yourself the time and effort to appreciate.
I used to not like the music by the Strauss dynasty, possibly due to an overexposure to New Years concerts with conductors who didn't really care. Then I stumbled across Fricsay's recordings in a 9 CD collection on DG. I still can't stop grinning when listening to that. And since my collection has been enriched with operetta recordings by Ackermann. Still smiling.
Another blind spot used to be everything composed before Mozart. It took Schwarzkopf's duetting with an oboe on a live recording of Bach's wedding cantata to restore my vision. Then somebody steered me in the direction of Ristenpart's and Fischer-Dieskau's version of Ich Habe Genug and since then Bach has become an obsession.
Recently, the lovely sexy voice of Janet Baker has convinced me that Handel's operas aren't for androgynous voices accompanied by sqeaky strings but any bit as potent as Tosca or Rigoletto. Yes, my Handel blind spot (I even hated the Messiah) is also going.
At the other end of the spectre, I will at some point get to Mahler who even Bruno Walter's 5th has taught me to enjoy. But I know that I am the one at fault here also.
It's exactly like this, Hermastersvoice. It's our limitations, not music's, which make us react in any funny, strange, bizarre (and so on) way against any music, which, under the proper approach, may be a revelation and a discovery of the first order.
Your joke fell flatter than a dead Brodskysaurus because you did not read my post.
So that is going to be your argument now is it, list a load of performers and academics to support your case, whatever it is?
It makes no difference whatsoever because Telemann and his mid-eighteenth century ilk bore me to death. They were the progenitors of muzak with their pointless notespinning tafelmuzak and the like.
So Harnoncourt can say what he likes as I will not give a damn.
If you are looking for a rumble I think you are barking up the wrong tree with Telemann. Even Parla is finding it hard to come to his defence and she'll argue Neil Black is Willard White.
troyen1 or Harnoncourt? That's a difficult one.
Is that the best you can do?
What else can you do? Perform a handstand whist handing out futile insults?
No, don't answer that, just go away or give us a post on a musical subject, if you can manage that, so that we can have a proper debate.
I second this last statement of yours, Troyen.
Focus and debate on music, please.