Is Jonas Kaufmann really an exceptional tenor?

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Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction......Albert Einstein

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An intelligent fool is simply following those wise guys who are wandering (sometimes even fooling) around, lost in their bewilderment.

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I'll let you know - I'm going to hear him in Symphony Hall, Birmingham in a couple of weeks' time

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In my humble opinion, perception IS governed by taste and opinion, since we all perceive according to our own experience.

Someone who is hearing opera/pop/classical will perceive it according to their own unique listening experience, so it is reasonable to assume that a beginner will receive it differently from someone with your unquestioned experience.

As for me, I wouldn't dare question your opinions, after all I've only about 35 years of professional performing (classical violin) on which to base me thoughts.  

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RUREF, perception is governed by taste, opinion and knowledge (based on the education one may have), cultural background and, occasionally some more features (research, further studies, etc.).

The question is whether one understands that perception is the key and the whole and doesn't deal with the part of it, namely the taste, opinion or anything else suitable for him or her. As a professional performing artist, you may comprehend me. At least, in the field of violin repertory, you may recognise (perceive) that the Sonatas and Partitas of Bach are the very heights of the instrument, regardless you like them and independently of whether you have a high opinion about them.

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RUREF wrote:

As for me, I wouldn't dare question your opinions, after all I've only about 35 years of professional performing (classical violin) on which to base me thoughts.  

Leaving aside the fact that that considerable experience will no doubt have equipped you amply to decide for youself on the merits of the Bach without anyone's imprimatur, let alone that of our resident sage, do let us know how it goes with Kaufmann in Birmingham and let us have your thoughts. I almost booked for this, but for boring reasons just couldn't fit in the journey from London and back in a day.

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Grammar! Spelling! See me, all of you. And bring back Bonisolli.

The worst tenor ever, screaming and no style whatsoever.

He's not even allowed to stand in Jonas shadow.

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Well I wouldn't call Bonisolli the worst tenor ever. There's no doubting the splendour of his voice, but he did rather epitomise the ever lambasted bone headed Italian tenor.

I saw him on stage once and he always seemed surprised that the audience didn't applaud after every high note. In an effort to encourage it to do so, he kept striding to the footlights, arms outstretched whenever he hit a note higher than a top G, holding the note as long as possible in the vain hope that this would get the approval he so obviously needed. It became laughable and actually induced titters rather than applause, which, I am sure, is not the effect he was striving for.

 

 

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Tsaraslondon1 wrote:

Well I wouldn't call Bonisolli the worst tenor ever. There's no doubting the splendour of his voice, but he did rather epitomise the ever lambasted bone headed Italian tenor.

I saw him on stage once and he always seemed surprised that the audience didn't applaud after every high note. In an effort to encourage it to do so, he kept striding to the footlights, arms outstretched whenever he hit a note higher than a top G, holding the note as long as possible in the vain hope that this would get the approval he so obviously needed. It became laughable and actually induced titters rather than applause, which, I am sure, is not the effect he was striving for.

 

 

He was a fine, though corny, Alfredo in a long forgotten La Traviata broadcast, I think, on ORF with Freni and Gardelli conducting. Cut as usual but the real star, as so often, was Freni. Issued on LP, first, by BASF (remember them?).

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Bonisolli had a magnificent instrument, albeit sadly misused in the latter days of his career. It's inevitable, I suppose, that he'll be remembered mainly for his behavioural excesses, but it would be a pity if the more polished and sensitive side of his singing were to be forgotten.

Prompted by the interesting posts on this thread, I listened to quite a bit of Bonisolli this morning. His Alfredo is really very stylish and sensitive, particularly so in 'Parigi, O Cara' and he's a very considerate duetist. There's a recital on Myto where there is some lovely singing - who'd have thought he'd make a credible Ernesto in Don Pasquale, for instance? And the more expected roles (Chenier, Enzo) are also very impressive indeed. I've heard a lot, lot worse.

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If you can say with totally dry eyes he is better then Jonas , I suggest you listen  again.

He screams he's way to every  piece of music ,  that awful Trovator , I can even describe how sad that is.

Neither the CD or the DVD , the only good thing about the DVD is Mrs Plowright.

 

 

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If you can say with totally dry eyes he is better then Jonas , I suggest you listen  again.

He screams he's way to every  piece of music ,  that awful Trovator , I can even describe how sad that is.

Neither the CD or the DVD , the only good thing about the DVD is Mrs Plowright.

 

I don't know to whom you're addressing this, Adrian, but I certainly have never claimed that Bonisolli is 'better' than Kaufmann - whatever that term might mean. I think my post is self-explanatory. Though one may not find Bonisolli an attractive singer, or agree with his interpretations, the assertion that he 'sreams' everything is demonstrably incorrect as the recordings I've mentioned will show.

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I fully agree with JKH. His post is quite clear and to the point.

In any case, Bonisoli had definitely a solid, big tenor voice (rather rare in our days). The way he opted to use it was not, most of the time, the most appropriate, but, he was one to admire at least for his physical vocal prowess, which has nothing to do with..."screaming".

By all means, Mr. Kaufmann doesn't "scream" (his voice is much more pleasant). I wonder, though, what kind of Trovatore might sing (possibly a quite lyrical one and not so italianate, with some limited use of any high C).

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Ref my post earlier in March, I did go to hear Kaufman at Symphony Hall, with mixed emotions at the end.

Lovely voice and well executed, but I wondered about the choice of Kindertotenlieder for his voice. Not my favourite Mahler anyway, and perhaps I've been spoiled (or over-influenced) by hearing women sing the pieces - Janet Baker being my particularly preferred performer of them.

His singing of Strauss songs however really did appeal, and I thought Andris Nelsons accompanied really sympathetically, allowing the voice to reach everyone in the hall - I was on the back row of the Grand Tier which is just about as far as you can get in this marvellous hall.

Overall then a very enjoyable experience notwithstanding my caveat about the choice of repertoire.

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Thank you for posting your thoughts on this, Ruref. I agree that the Mahler would not be the first thing one would think of associating with Kaufmann, but I should have liked to hear it nonetheless, so I'm rather envious. Notwithstanding the great female interpreters of the cycle, for some reason I still prefer a male voice, my favourite being Prey (as he is in so many things).

Kaufmann's projection is exemplary. I've heard him from the very back of the ROH amphitheatre, and wanted for nothing. Would that were true of some very famous names.

I've got a particular affection for the orchestral versions of Strauss songs (there's a superb disc with Jerusalem and Kurt Masur on Philips) but it's probably a long shot to expect Kaufmann to record them.

 

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