Jazz is the new classical.
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 11:26AM
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RE: Jazz is the new classical.
Finally, a note on the subject of this thread itself. Ian’s title was Jazz is the new Classical......Was this initial provocation just an attempt to wind some of us up?
Chris
He certainly appears to have succeeded.
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 1:35PM
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RE: Jazz is the new classical.
Chris wrote: "Finally, a note on the subject of this thread itself. Ian’s title wasJazz is the new Classical......Was this initial provocation just an attempt to wind some of us up?"
JKH wrote:
"He certainly appears to have succeeded."
Yes indeed! How right you are JKH! Perhaps, like an alarm clock, we need winding up to function!
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Sat, Oct 6 2012, 2:15PM
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RE: Jazz is the new classical.
I'm not that sure he really wanted to "wind us up". To me, it looks like clumsy manipulation of a subject unnecessary for this forum.
Whatever is the case, he managed to succeed in both...
Parla
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 6:20PM
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RE: Jazz is the newt.
I don't think he was trying to wind anyone up, it was just his usual bumbling attempt to string a sentence together. A month ago he was putting together his classical music top 50 and including pieces of (mainly Classics FM bits) that he hadn't heard all the way through yet. What wisdom. Jazz had it's moments, notably at the start of the last century, and was then rediscovered in the 1960's by the free loving hep middle class students. It is a relic now. Popular music has moved on and left jazz behind. Classical music has moved on and left jazz behind, we took what we wanted. Jazz now creeps around in a loud shirt, a tank top and flared jeans. You wouldn't let your kids anywhere near it.
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 6:52PM
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**** to you pompous ***** I'll listen to whatever I like, whether it is classical or jazz or opera.
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 7:24PM
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Newton Law III: To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 7:51PM
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By all means, you may listen to whatever you like, Ian. The question is whether we need a thread on this matter. What is the added value (of this subject) for us to discuss here, in a Classical forum?
Parla
Sat, Oct 6 2012, 8:01PM
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Sat, Oct 6 2012, 11:34PM
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**** to you pompous ***** I'll listen to whatever I like, whether it is classical or jazz or opera.
I hope you can manage to get to the end of a few pieces before you decide to share your views with us all. Do you still like Jazz or has your VERY limited attention span moved on to another form of music yet. What do goldfish listen to these days.
Sun, Oct 7 2012, 12:47AM
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Fruitcake, if I may be so bold as to call you by your forename on so short an acquaintance, what is your attention span? Does it extend beyond slagging off other people? What "added value", to use Parla's terminology, have you contributed to this forum? Having been absent for a while, I wouldn't know.
Sun, Oct 7 2012, 1:06AM
#12
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**** to you pompous ***** I'll listen to whatever I like, whether it is classical or jazz or opera.
Ian, why are you bothering to argue or take offence? Neither Parla nor Fruitcake are worth the effort, my above post addressed to the latter being purely rhetorical. If it's any reassurance, my own listening comprises about 20 or 25% jazz or pop/rock, reflecting my record collection - and naturally my taste in music is superior to everyone else's. And, by the way, nobody, other than pasticheurs, has ever consciously written "classical" music.
Sun, Oct 7 2012, 9:41AM
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I can't wait for Paternosters 'Skiffle is the new Rock and Roll' or maybe 'Disco is the new Rap'. How about 'The typewriter is the new laptop' or 'Wood is the new Plastic'. Of course Ian only know three types of wood and two types of plastic, but that won't stop him comparing his top 50 wood versus plastic. I'm a wood man myself so I'm with Ian on this one.
Sun, Oct 7 2012, 7:25PM
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Guillaume, I don't expect to be "worth of any effort" (whatever you mean, anyway). However, at least two more members (78RPM and Graham J) made more "painful", as for the subject, comments. Apparently, none seems to be bothered and, obviously, were not worth of any effort too.
Finally, "taste" may be "superior to everyone else's", but taste does not define which music is good, better, superior or great. If we believe that whatever we like (taste) is great music, then, all composers/works/genres are great and, at the same time, none! On the other hand, to believe that what you like is also "great" constitutes a childish behaviour.
By the way, my collection contains about 10% of CDs of jazz and other genres of music. However, my approach and response to the listening experience of them is almost identical to what has very eloquently been described by 78RPM.
Parla
Mon, Oct 8 2012, 1:21PM
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I think the problem is a lack of a dedicated Jazz radio station - currently it tends to get shared out between BBC Radio 2 and 3.
A few years ago there used to be TheJazz run by ClassicFM I think, which fell apart due to lack of funding. I used to tune into this reasonably frequently whenever we had the usual Beethoven3/Rachmaninov2 on R3 or CFM and found it very interesting.
This thread has raised some interesting issues even for those of us uninterested in jazz. And this despite the lack of clarity in the position of the original poster Ian. The spark of life, as so often, comes from the arguments between common sense (it is obvious that not all things are equal) with political correctness (it is insulting to say that A is better than B). Everyone has their own opinion on that and the propensity for angry responses is there from the outset.
Angry responses there have been and from those emerges a simple fact. Whilst a few forum members threatened to withdraw in the face of these, as they see it, ‘damaging’ posts’ and even more, argue that they put off other contributors, the facts prove otherwise. Contributors who have been silent for months appear out of the woodwork (welcome of course!) whenever a controversial subject is raised and the temperature rises. It seems that a degree of anger is a necessary precondition for many members to contribute! To involve everyone, perhaps I should start a thread on something like: “Objective proof of the superiority of classical music, confirmed by Divine intervention” (Oh, but it’s more than 64 characters).
Finally, a note on the subject of this thread itself. Ian’s title was Jazz is the new Classical. I took this to mean that he was going to argue that jazz, rather than (say) the important figures discussed in Arbutus’ thread, is the new direction of classical music. Subsequent posts from Ian don’t seem to confirm this though. Was this initial provocation just an attempt to wind some of us up?
Chris
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