Jazz is the new classical.

Jazz FM. uuuum Nice. The hot station for all you hep cats out there, let's get this joint a jumpin with some cool tunes from a popular music form of the early 20th century, nice. But first some news hot from the telegraph. Queen Victoria is said to be feeling un well, 'One is unwell' she is quoted as saying. Well back to the popular music that the crazy hep dude paternoster thinks is going to change the world in the 21st century, what a crazy jazz tastic fellow he is. Nice.

I don't think they were too afraid to ask, just too afraid to be seen in the Jazz sphere. And there is a name for that black hole Jazz Record Requests disappeared up.
Jazz is, was, a form of popular music that composers of note borrowed from for a time. If you want to know what is important in Jazz listen to Stravinsky, Hindemith, Martinu etc. Jazz needs to be put away into the 'popular music of yesterday' bin, along with Rock n Roll etc. It was largely a meaningless fashion and pop fashions change very quickly. OK, if you want to wear an orange shirt, green flares, a yellow tank top and a pink cravat then do so, but you would be seriously advised not to leave your own home, or in the case of Jazz, the Home you have been put into.

J'accuse - The cry of a middle class liberal who is full of his own self importance and thinks it makes him sound well read.

I guess Fruitcake baby said what I wouldn't dare to. However, let's go to the substance of your last post, Guillaume.

I didn't doubt that you were talking "tongue-in-cheek", when you referred to the superiority of your taste, but I felt compelled to respond, since I felt you meant, somehow, what you claimed, something that is confirmed with your last post.

So, I submit that, since we don't have any evidence in anonymous internet forums, we cannot claim anything any poster says as "mythical", untrue, and so on. If you cannot trust me, you may ignore my posts. Otherwise, as I have to trust whatever my anonymous and unknown fellow members of this forum say, I expect they have to do the same to whatever I wish to state. For once more, nothing is mythical. The "experts" remain anonymous, because anonymity is th order of this forum. The issue is not who they are (in any case, they are not from UK and they are not famous figures in the business). What matters is the message. Definitely, not what I "like", "prefer", etc.

I have claimed, with specific examples, that there are two different things in Art and , of course in Classical Music: a) the personal preference, based on the "taste" or to make it clearer the emotional impact of the work in question to us and b) the appreciation of the artwork, based on its role in the History of the specific Art and its artistic features.

In this vein, I have repeatedly said that I might like (very much) Rossini, but I don't appreciate his music (that much), while I hardly prefer to listen to Bruckner, while I recognise him as a great composer and one of the very top Symphonists. In this way, I could suggest Rossini as listening fun, but not as such a great music, while I would strongly recommend Bruckner's opus to anyone who wishes to learn and get into the Symphonic or Choral realm.

I have a huge collection of CDs (including SACDs) of practically all the repertory. Do I like all or most of my collection? Definitely not! I might prefer (like) only a small fraction of it. However, I appreciate a great deal of it and I keep listening to works I do not and, possibly, will never prefer to listen, because I have to learn, research, indulge in and appreciate the enormous wealth of Classical Music. So, it's not that I like Mozart's First Piano Quartet in g minor more than its twin, the other one in E-flat, but, simply, because I wanted to point out the critical, pivotal role of a work by Mozart in a crucial minor key, particularly in the very significant for Wolfgang g minor. However, the second Piano Quartet, in the straightforward and beloved E-flat, is a marvel of composition. For some, even better in scale and scope than the first (in g minor).

So, forget the "middlemen" and my taste. Check only the message and, moi, je ne vais  vous accuser jamais.

All the best.

Parla

In order not to perpetuate this nonsense of a sort of no debate, may I ask l'auteur, namely Mr. Ian, what does he know about jazz and what is the definition he is aware of it, to start with.

Parla

Jazz improves with alcohol. All that improvisation (playing things you have practised at home but pretending that you are such an artistic cool cat that you are just going where the music takes you). However where it takes you is usually lots of repetition and lots of wrong notes. However it is jazz so 'the more you drink, the better it sounds'. Complex - not really. Out of fashion - you bet. Nuff Sid.