Jazz is the new classical.
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 2:11PM
I have just discovered Jazz again and I am loving it. It brightens up my day nicely. So it is goodbye to Classical Music.
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 3:13PM
#2
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
It's news to me that jazz is new.
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 4:32PM
#3
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
The easy way out, when things get tougher with some complex Classical Music, Ian?
I guess you may have to bid farewell to this Classical forum too.
Good luck, anyway.
Parla
I have enjoyed Classical Music and will continue to listen to it, there is nothing complex about Classical Music, occasionally it does not hurt to venture into new ways and new music.
Thanks
Ian.
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 8:18PM
#4
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
It is an EITHER OR matter ??????
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 10:39PM
#5
RE: Jazz is low cal.
Ha ha ha ha. Well you will be missed on these pages. Your famous top 50 classical works was, well, a classic. I liked the bit were you said you hadn't even bothered to listen to some of the pieces to the end. We will miss such studied and valued opinion. Well it's time to put on your bright shirt and tell everyone what a hep dude you are. Take your seat amongst the over 70's at you local jazz club. The weekly crowd only meet four times a year now due to dwindling numbers. Remember, the more you drink, the better it sounds. And don't worry if you miss anything, they repeat the same tricks every 15 minutes, endlessly. That's jazz baby.
Tue, Oct 2 2012, 10:47PM
#6
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
If there is nothing complex with Classical Music, I guess jazz is a piece of cake (possibly fruitcake...).
Anyway, when Music is faced as mere entertainment, then, you may "enjoy" anything, not only jazz.
Parla
Wed, Oct 3 2012, 1:39AM
#7
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
I agree with Ian, up to a point. I wonder why he bothered to post though, considering.
"In Parsifal there is a hermit named Gurnemanz who stands on the stage in one spot and practises by the hour, while first one and then another character of the cast endures what he can of it and then retires to die".
Thus Mark Twain writing about Wagner. A couple of name changes and he could well have been writing about the Gramophone forum.
Wed, Oct 3 2012, 3:13AM
#8
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
If you're crying for help Ian as I fear, let me tell you something: don't betray your feelings. There's nothing worse than those pompous guys talking about classical music at parties just to show off: I prefer talking to the teens about the new U2's album. If jazz give you the kicks you need: go for it, someday you may get back to classical music.
I used to listen to jazz & pop music when I was young and I still spin one or two cds sometimes just to conclude that I simply cannot stand this anymore: it's nice, I like it, I tap my toes but after a few minutes I start feeling tired, uncomfortable, be it a Bob Dylan, Neil Young or Keith Jarrett's album. Let's not enter into a futile discussion about which is better or which one requires more erudition: everyone at his/her trade.
Having said that, I'd like to add that I'm a bit sceptical about those ecumenical mates who say that they enjoy all kinds of music: classical, pop, rock, soul, jazz, techno....I said a bit sceptical because I think that when your ears become really trained and educated in classical music you may admire and enjoy other musical styles if you're open minded but you'll clearly see the differences and will stay with your classical library [A music that I appreciate sometimes other than the (good) western classical music is a piece of (good) Indian classical music: I may listen easily to a great 60/90 minutes-long raga].
Now if you're crying wolf Ian, then you may fail to be versatile musically speaking, but polemical you'll be for sure.
Either way: have fun!
Wed, Oct 3 2012, 7:51PM
#9
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
Gershwin was into Classical and Jazz, Nigel Kennedy went from Classical to Jazz and back again. There are others so why be pompous and not integrate both styles and enjoy the best of both worlds.
Wed, Oct 3 2012, 9:45PM
#10
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
There's nothing worse than those pompous guys talking about classical music at parties just to show off: I prefer talking to the teens about the new U2's album.
Well aren't we the hip dude 'gettin down wiv da kids'. Ya that Bonehead guy is really pushing back the boundaries when it comes to vanity and that edgy dude on guitar really speaks to me in three chords. The guy on bass does seem to over do the hair dye but the drummer really slips me some skin man, yer. As for those pompous guys talking about classical music, well I think Nigel Kennerdy summed it up when he said 'Villa is da best', of course he was wrong. 'Chelsea is da best'.
Wed, Oct 3 2012, 10:18PM
#11
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
I sincerely hope, Ian, you can manage to "integrate" both Classical and Jazz. However, if you are not a composer, the verb does not fit in. Gershwin did it very few times and he was an exception to the rule. As for Kennedy, better leave it. He is a performer, not a composer, and a very controversial one.
Classical and Jazz, can be only for fleeting moments, "integrated" (whatever it may means). The relationship never became constant, firm and consistent. So, for a longstanding relationship with music, you have to decide. You cannot have them both. From your introductory remark, I trust you have already made up your mind.
Good luck with your choice!
Parla
Thu, Oct 4 2012, 4:50AM
#12
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
I've dozens of CD's of pop music and a few Jazz but rarely if ever listen to them any more. No other type of music touches me so deeply as classical nor has so much variety. Jazz is about entertainment, pop is about making money and classical is pure art that can profoundly affect one's being, like other froms of art can.
I would suggest, Ian, the jazz may be a phase so we'll see you again soon!
Thu, Oct 4 2012, 8:35AM
#13
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
Seconded.
Simple people like simple things. Easy gratification. They think jazz is deep because it has lots of notes in it, lots of notes! how very clever. Classical music is for thinkers and those who appreciate art. Jazz, Pop, Rap etc, simple fashion for those who don't really like music but maybe they have a long drive to work, or like background music while they drink, or need to be told what to do and think by some 16 year old with a guitar.
Thu, Oct 4 2012, 8:48AM
#14
RE: Jazz is the new classical.
I agree with Ian, up to a point. I wonder why he bothered to post though, considering. "In Parsifal there is a hermit named Gurnemanz who stands on the stage in one spot and practises by the hour, while first one and then another character of the cast endures what he can of it and then retires to die". Thus Mark Twain writing about Wagner. A couple of name changes and he could well have been writing about the Gramophone forum.
Guillaume please don't post any more like that, at least while I'm likely to read it when drinking hot coffee. My guffaws are likely to result in damage to my keyboard!
Thu, Oct 4 2012, 11:05AM
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RE: Jazz is the new classical.
Jazz is about entertainment, pop is about making money and classical is pure art that can profoundly affect one's being, like other froms of art can.
So the Rattles and the Kennedys and the Ashkenazys of this world don't paid for what they're doing? So who's gettting all the royalties then?
The easy way out, when things get tougher with some complex Classical Music, Ian?
I guess you may have to bid farewell to this Classical forum too.
Good luck, anyway.
Parla