Lesser Known Composers

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After an exchange today with Tagalie, we both feel that this subject has grounds to be a very interesting thread. I'm sure there are many contributors who are constantly looking for new musical experiences, and who have works and composers who for them hold a special place that they would like to share with others, especially those that for whatever reasons are not well known

So I'll start what I hope others will contribute to, or take something interesting from. The following works have all given me immense pleasure over the years

1. Panufnik, Sinfonia Sacra

2. Ginastera, Piano Concerto No.2

3. Grisey, 4 Chants pour franchir le Seuil

4. Ruders, Symphony

5. Koechlin, Le Docteur Fabricius

6. Bridge, The Hour Glass

7. Malipiero, String Quartet No.1

8. Stanchinsky, 12 Etudes

9. Langgaard, Music of the Spheres

10 Schulhoff, String Quartet No.1

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Tartini, various VCs spread over Erato, Olympia, Regis, Naxos. Severac, Piano Music with Ciccolini (EMI).Mompou, Piano Music with Mompou (Brilliant Classics).Alwyn, Sinfonietta for String Orchestra with Lloyd-Jones (Naxos).Dallapiccola, Orchestral Works with Noseda (Chandos).Dusapin, Time Zones, String Quartet 3 with Arditti SQ.(naive).Ginastera, Danzas argentina with Argerich (EMI).

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The Dusapin with Dutilleux's Ainsi la Nuit is a wonderful CD, in fact all of those Naive monochrome CDs are worth a listen  I too like Mompou's music, but don't you find the Brilliant Classics recording very odd? Mine has this horrible delayed fuzzy sound to it. I have some of his music on a wonderful Decca High Fidelity LP played by Rosa Sabater.

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Dallapiccola's Canti di Prigonia is a stunning piece of music. The version I have is on Apex

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A befriended German record collector posted this on youtube,

Pal Kadosa - Second String Quartet Op. 25, played by the Tátrai Quartet, on an early '50s Qualiton LP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0FwdXlV3p4&fmt=22

The composer is completely new to me, but he sure knows how to compose an adrenalin drained movement...

Rolf

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Thanks Rolf and your German friend. Pal Kadosa was completely new to me too, but I've just listened to the whole Second Quartet, thanks to your link. Interesting, it reminds me of Schulhoff, but lacks the fluency, originality and strangeness of the former for me, but I got to hear and learn about something new, which is exactly why I started this thread, I hope others feel the same.

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dubrob wrote:

The Dusapin with Dutilleux's Ainsi la Nuit is a wonderful CD, in fact all of those Naive monochrome CDs are worth a listen  I too like Mompou's music, but don't you find the Brilliant Classics recording very odd? Mine has this horrible delayed fuzzy sound to it. I have some of his music on a wonderful Decca High Fidelity LP played by Rosa Sabater.

It's probably me choosing to overlook while listening to the Mompou on floorstanders and bookshelf, that I haven't detected the "horrible delayed fuzzy sound." Maybe I would with headphone auditioning, but I think I'll leave it alone and continue to enjoy the musicality with not perfect playing or sound.

Looking back, I see the Musicweb reviewer notes some tape distortion on disc 3.

The only other Mompou I've heard was Hough and Maso. Those didn't stay long in my collection.

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A great chance to trot out some hobby horses but where to start? One man’s backwater is another man’s mainstream and there are many composers relatively unfamiliar to the general public who are likely favourites of many of the contributors to this forum. I heartily applaud mention above of Alwyn, Dallapiccola (Canti di Prigionia, a great work) and Koechlin (Ballade for Piano and Orchestra is special, but I like everything I’ve heard).

There are other composers just off the mainstream but hardly unknown – Tubin, Vagn Holmboe, Martinu, Simpson, Harris, Schoeck, Zemlinsky, Martin, Penderecki, who I find very rewarding. All of Holmboe’s symphonies from 5 to 13 are superb and Martin’s Der Cornet is an absolute masterpiece.

Just behind this group in terms of fame (or lack of it), I find Frankel and Searle have much to say, Gerhard tough but definitely worth the effort (especially the Concerto for Orchestra and Symphonies 1 and 4), and all of Lennox Berkeley’s orchestral music beautifully crafted, from small pieces like the Divertimento to the symphonies and piano concertos. Cyril Scott’s piano concertos have plenty to offer as does everything I’ve heard of Warlock’s small output.

Digging into slightly deeper recesses, usually single works or discs I’ve chanced on which I’m very glad I’ve met, there are the following:

 

Jehan Alain’s organ works (Naxos and elsewhere)

Richard Harvey’s Concerto Antico for guitar (on Sony, played by John Williams)

William Mathias’s Harp Concerto (Osian Ellis, used to be on Decca)

David Farquhar’s symphony, on an Oryx disc of music from New Zealand

Jacques Bondon’s Concerto de Mars (appeared on RCA with the Caselnuovo-Tedesco guitar quintet)

Robert Still’s Symphony 3 (Lyrita, an odd work but endlessly intriguing)

No masterpieces, perhaps even guilty secrets, but there you go.

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Great, hunting down this stuff should keep me busy for the summer. Gerhard, Frankel and Simpson are favourites of mine. Holmboe's quartets are arguably even more rewarding than his Synphonies. If you like string quartets try Sculthorpe's. Koechlin's Piano Quintet is another one worth hearing. Scandinavia has so many riches, that I will have to think more before singling out particular works

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dubrob wrote:

Holmboe's quartets are arguably even more rewarding than his Synphonies.

I love most of Holmboe's orchestral music - symphonies, concertos, preludes, chamber concertos, but struggle a bit with his quartets, and with his Requiem for Nietzsche. For me, there's just a bit too much of the cerebral and slightly self-consciously "artsy" side of the man in these works. Strange, perhaps, because I have no problem with Simpson's quartets (which are often compared to Holmboe's) and get a ton out of the entire Shostakovich set.

If you don't already know them, you might want to look for the John Foulds quartets. Very interesting stuff.

This talk of Holmboe prompted me to dig out my old vinyl of the Symphony 10 played by the Gothenburg S.O. under Ehrling. I expect we've all got to know most of our Holmboe symphonies from the BIS Hughes recordings and got used to his style. It was an eye(ear?)-opener to listen to Ehrling. A closer recording than the BIS, perhaps lending an extra edge to the music. Whether performance or recording, I found the end result far more dramatic than what Hughes gives us.

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The only Foulds I know is his orchestral music, the idea of quartets from the same man sounds tantalising. Holmboe on vinyl, now there's something I'd love to have. Apart from the BIS, I've only heard a radio broadcast of the premiere of the 7th, which was something quite different from Hughes. I have to say that when I like a composer I'm delighted to fnd they have string quartets, have you heard Jon Leifs' for example? 

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The Foulds quartets originally appeared in vinyl on Pearl records, played by the Endellion S.Q.. I have a feeling they made it onto cd. I actually prefer them to any of his orchestral music.

I don't know Leifs at all. Will have to check him out.

Holmboe on vinyl: the first Holmboe I heard was the 8th symphony on Turnabout, R.D.O. under Semkow. I wouldn't bother digging it out. The BIS Hughes is vastly superior in every way, although the Turnabout offered an interesting coupling, Per Norgard's Constellations. The Cello Concerto appeared on BIS under Schmidt, and it has been transferred to cd. There was also a recording of the 8th string quartet played by the Copenhagen Quartet.

I hope you have the Holmboe 'In Memoriam', really his 9th symphony. An astounding work, desert island material for me.

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I have it, but I haven't listened to it in a very long time. Now I know exactly what to listen to on the bus tomorrow morning, thanks. 

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Superhorn has reminded me of a lot of composers and works that, in my opinion, should be included in this thread. Braunfels Die Vogel, and Haas' Charlatan are interesting operas, and if anybody wants to hear other less known operas I would sincerely recommend Malipiero's Orfeo, and Torneo Notturno, Gnastera's Bomarzo (fantastic), Blomdahl's Aniara, and Zimmermann's Die Soldaten. He's hardly a lesser known composer but Hindemith's Sancta Susannah is also wonderful.

Superhorn rightly mentioned Medtner, Novak and Alan Rawsthorne. Novak has a piece called Sinfonia which I would single out. As for orchestral music I would heartily suggest the Concerti for Orchestra by Petrassi, Sessions smphonies, and for something utterly unique and compelling the orchestral music of Giacinto Scelsi.

 

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I've just come across Othmar Schoeck. Specifically his string quartets - two of them, plus a solitary movement of an earlier abandoned one - recorded by the Minguet Quartet on the Dabringhaus und Grimm label.

I know very little about him, or his compositions in general, but his second string quartet (which they put first on the CD for some reason) is certainly very good, in a late romantic way. 

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dubrob wrote:

...Ginastera's Bomarzo (fantastic)...

Can you tell me more - I've not heard of that piece.  Is it available currently?

Someone mentioned desert islands - that might be a good theme for a thread!