Listening Fatigue
I've always believed that one can learn as much from duplicate versions of a work, however well one thought one knew it.
I wonder whether anyone else has had this experience that I find quite often:
At the first hearing of a new recording (if it is a good one) of a familiar work, I quite often hear things that I've never noticed before. But when I go back to my familiar recordings, those aspects are clearly there, present and seemingly no less prominent than in the new recording. It's a very peculiar feeling.
Chris
Chris A.Gnostic
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Here we go again........
Looks as if Vic's thread on the "sad state" of this forum has been removed.
I expect the Headmaster will call an assembly some time today to explain what has happened. Please, boys and girls. You must play nicely. If someone hits you, that doesn't give you the right to hit back. You must report it to a teacher, who will them take the appropriate action. Now - off to the buses and no more nonsense.
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What are you going on about jane...can we keep to the subject which was started by err..you actually?
DSM
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You obviously have very strict standards, DSM. One single post off the thread and you feel it is necessary to send a reminder. Nice going.
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I have got nothing against going off thread, but, to use a vaguely similar analogy, a Silva compass and OS Map would be in order !!
By the way, I did see that note about reversing the middle movements in Bruckner's 2nd and also 7th. I have heard these on the radio - I'm not sure though about their authenticity.
DSM
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Looks as if Vic's thread on the "sad state" of this forum has been removed.
Yes indeed. But I think a quick scan of the number of posters and the range of issues raised by them shows us that it is not in such a sad state these last eight days or so than previously, don't you think?
On the point of this thread, I don't get to play anything so many time that I feel "fatigued". I feel spoilt for choice, there I so many favourites to go back to, and so many new works to discover that I feel like a kid in a candy store. And I'm nearly an old man, so I've a lot to pack into my time left in this mortal coil!
Vic.
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You're right, Vic. There is an awful lot of stuff out there.......more than enough to stave off fatigue. I suppose I need to change my listening habits and try and blend more new stuff in with the old. Or be more discplined in my listening.
As to the state of the forum, I don't know. Historically it is a little short on members, but it hasn't done too badly these past few days. Perhaps Chris is right - I think it was Chris who said it, anyway: a few good, meaty threads and the whole thing will perk up again. I've got a few ideas (some heavy, some light), but once they are up and running, I always feel a kind of curatorial obligation to them and it takes an awful lot of time.......
(Apologies for the digression, DSM.)
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Vic, I told you so...There was no need.
Back to our "fatigue". Chris, you're right, to a great extent. As an avid collector, I purchase a lot of new recordings of well-known works and I feel, most of the time, that there is something quite new along with the familiar. However, this "new" elements make the difference to find out that there is no definitive comprehension or final perception of a work, even of the simplest or the smallest ones.
Few examples of my latest purchases: a) The Scherzo of Sibelius' 1st Symphony, in the new SACD recording by Vanska, on BIS (with the Minnesota Orch.): It's the fastest, almost one minute faster vis a vis other more standard performances. However, it's very clean, almost transparent (for the first time, I heard so clearly the harp's short passages at the coda) and quite convincing.
b) The second movement of the 3rd Piano Trio by Schumann, in the new stunning recording, on Audite (SACD), with the Swiss Piano Trio. For the first time, the dynamics are so clearly observed and the musical line of the cello is so eloquently revealed along with the other two instruments.
c) The Seven Bagatelles, op.33 by Beethoven with Olga Pashchenko, on Fuga Libera, performed on a rare fortepiano by Conrad Graf of 1826. Although I have so many recordings, some on fortepiano too, this one sounds as I almost have never heard them, mostly thanks to the instrument and the impressive recording.
Listening to multiple recordings of very different approaches of the same work(s) can give you enough food for thought.
Finally, the issue of discipline and of a specific program (Beethoven in f minor, Haydn in E flat or works written in f sharp minor and so on) can always give you enough "homework", opening new ways of listening to familiar works.
Parla
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Picking up on DSM's comment, can anyone tell me what was the reason why Colin Davis chose to reverse the 2nd and 3rd movements in Bruckner's 7th symphony. I must say I can't imagine it that way. Was there any justification given or was it just a personal whim?
Chris
Chris A.Gnostic
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Vic, I told you so...There was no need.
Parla
Parla, you are incorrigible!!!
You must have the last word. And I'm going to let you have it (with the above comment). I don't agree with you of course, but you can have the last word on the subject. And please, please make the above the very last word on it!
I loved the rest of your post, by the way. Thank you.
Vic.
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It's a deal, Vic.
By the way, do you know that "Incorrigible" is the name of a rather underrated, less known Jazz sextet. I got one of their CDs (it is called "One for All", on the label Jazz Legacy Productions, JLP), sometime ago (about 5% of my collection is selective Jazz items). It's fine music for the genre and it contributes to less fatigue in listening.
Away with fatigue, Vic. Life is short(er) for us the older. So, new discovery: "Profano e Sacro: Overtures and refined Arias by Alessandro Scarlatti with a new excellent counter tenor, named Doninique Corbiau, on Avanti.
Parla
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Vic, I told you so...There was no need.
Parla
Parla, you are incorrigible!!!
You must have the last word. And I'm going to let you have it (with the above comment). I don't agree with you of course, but you can have the last word on the subject. And please, please make the above the very last word on it!
I loved the rest of your post, by the way. Thank you.
Vic.
Vic and Parla in a tree.
K.I.S.S.I.N.G.
Get a room you two. You are clearly made for each other.
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I think you are probably right, phlogiston. The issue of multiple versions, along with the quasi-pathological collecting bug, is probably worth a thread in itself. But I am sure one reason we keep adding to our Mahler 5s or our Matthew Passions is to try and keep the music alive a little longer......
And it works. The Chailly set gave me a new lease on life where Mahler is concerned, your husband's recording of Harold in Italy revived that work for me, Deneve's recordings of Roussel re-awakened enthusiasm for that composer. I'm a recording industry marketing man's dream.
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Offtopic:
Again we agree! Apart from anything else, this is the order Mahler wanted.
I find having the scherzo arrive to disrupt the serenity of the andante to be very effective. Regarding the question of keys (as though GM was even a stickler for such things), the semitone drop from the scherzo’s A minor to the finale’s G# major opening chord is very effective as an unsettling device. (Yes, the first note of the finale is C but the chord is G#, and the music sounds in G# for the first 8 bars up to the double lines.)
Oh God, it's another M6 debate :rolls eyes:
Which reminds me, I read an interview with Kent Nagano (link below) in which he said he doesn't play the Bruckner 9 finale, because he's not convinced it's authentic. What he likes to do is turn the torso into a four-movement symphony by putting a movement by a different composer before the Adagio. How the hell is that a more acceptable option?
http://www.scena.org/lsm/sm16-4/sm16-4_nagano-bruckner_en.html
'Art doesn't need philosophers. It just needs to communicate from soul to soul.' Alejandro Jodorowsky
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I think you are probably right, phlogiston. The issue of multiple versions, along with the quasi-pathological collecting bug, is probably worth a thread in itself. But I am sure one reason we keep adding to our Mahler 5s or our Matthew Passions is to try and keep the music alive a little longer......