Listening Fatigue

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When I was in my teens, I listened to the Beethoven symphonies and piano sonatas so intensively, I just can't listen to them anymore. I still appreciate them and sometimes find I can (briefly) enjoy a new recording, but on the whole I seem to have killed them off with too much listening. I just know them too well; they have been dulled by excessive familiarity.

I have done this with other favourite pieces over the years. I listen to them over and over and then, gradually, they lose their freshness and go stale.

I am much better these days when it comes to rationing my aesthetic pleasures, but it still remains a danger and the threat, like the knowledge of mortality or the inevitable end of a love affair, hangs like a shadow over the birth of each new infatuation. 

I would be interested to know, in any case, if others out there have suffered them same problem........

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Somewhat. I didn't hugely enjoy Jiggy's new Beethoven 5&7 earlier this year, which got good reviews in G and BBC, and despite the fact I'm usually an admirer of his conducting. I did wonder whether it's simply down to over-exposure to the music. I need to have another listen to, say, Kleiber, to see how I respond to them.

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Shostakovich symphonies. I know them too well. Even the debates about them I find tired and stale.

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Have to admit I never have the same issue over the long term, though definitely sometimes it is good to take a sabbatical... and I also suspect this is one of the curses of recordings. If we didn't have recordings then how many times in a life would you hear some of even the 'core' repertoire?

And there is a distinct difference between love and infatuation...

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Yes, I have come across the same. However, don't despair, your love for Beethoven should return (it always does for me). Often it takes a new performance to revitalise your interest. The curse of recordings - indeed - is that we get tired of pieces. And rightly so! Recordings kill all spontenaeity in our reactions, they repeat again and again the exact same performance! Terrible! I have my absolute favourite performers but regularly deliberately listen to pieces performed by others. This prevents me from no longer listening with spontaneity.

So, you might try going to live performances and also trying new recordings which bring new perspectives and make you listen with a fresh mind and heart.

And also change composers, listen to composers completely different from Beethoven (or whoever your "tired of" composer may be at the time). After a few months or even years you will all of a sudden return to Beethoven and see "aha! now, there is something special after all!"

 

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BazzaRiley wrote:

Shostakovich symphonies. I know them too well. Even the debates about them I find tired and stale.

Ditto. I think I could whistle the 10th through first bar to last. Mahler, too, fails to turn my crank the way he used to. For me, I suspect for most of us, the by-product of this ennui is a quest for undiscovered delights in musical backwaters. More often than not this results in confirmation that so-and-so is not unjustly neglected which makes the rewards, when they do come, that much greater. 

One of my first loves, Sibelius, delights me every time I return to him even though I played the grooves off most of my vinyl copies of the symphonies.

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...Sibelius delights me every time I return to him...

Yes, this is a composer of whom one never tires*. But that is surely because his music is so much more subtle than the norm. Mahler, with his bombast and hysteria, is the polar opposite and my infatuation was thankfully brief.

[* - though I am not keen to hear the violin concerto again for a while...]

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Thanks for the post, this is what I needed to read about. I have some rock music and some jazz in my library though my collection is at least 96 percent classical, from contemporary to gregorian chant. Usually during the afternoon if I'm goofing around or working on my bicycle, etc... then I'll play some Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Louis Armstrong ... and then my mind has just taken a vacation. I love classical or legitimate music significantly more than any other music form but to listen to it all of the time would be a major overload on the synaptic nerves.

As far as growing tired of a classical composer, this happened as I was cross referencing various recordings of the Chopin Catalogue raisonne'. It got to where if I had to hear the mazurkas or nocturnes again, that I would go completely nuts. I believe that when I first started comparing the nocturnes however, that I told myself that I could never tire of listening to any of Chopin's works.

I find that it's still a good investment to own a tuner and a radio or two. The air waves can deliver some great unexpected performances. My favorites are the live broadcasts, especially those which will never be repeated. 

 

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I'm really amazed at you, Jane. Do you actually know that well Beethoven's op.111 or the op.14, no.2. As for the Symphonies, Karajan supposedly claimed that, after performing them 100 times, he started comprehending them. I'm also curious in which way you actually know them: based on the score? You know every single musical line or you simply know the general flow of the music?

The same question goes to those who claim Shostakovich that well. Tagalie, you can "whistle" every single line of the score of the 10th?

Listening to Classical Music perfomances or good recordings (in the form of a true reproduction of a concert) can only thrill me all the time.

I can generally support the very well articulated posts of Naupilus and Ganymede, for the moment.

Some final comments, Jane: The relationship with Classical Music cannot be like "infatuation". Either you Love it or not. And in Love, there is not any necessary "inevitable end". Normally, the end comes with the...end of one of the parties of the "love affair". (Is there any "inevitable end" in my love for my wife or son, except for my inevitable passing?).

The only tip I may give you for the moment is that the problem probably lies in the way you listen to your very familiar composers and music.

Parla

 

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I know what Jane means though I don't so much feel fatigue so much as have periods when I don't feel the need to listened to music that is very familiar, like Beethoven symphonies, less so the sonatas.  There are times when I do feel (quite ridiculously wrongly I'm sure) that I have all I need of the music in my head. It usually passes however, and often corresponds to a time when I'm into exploring music new to me, a process that can lead to temporary over-valuing the newly-discovered music. Also I guess it is different for performers. From what little I've done, I know that one despairs of ever fully understanding the music in question.

If there is a problem with recordings it is, as others have said, the ease of over-listening. There's something wrong with the idea of hearing Beethoven's 9th every day, or even every week isn't there.  As Naupilus says, some masterpieces need to be left alone for a while. I've been 'off' Mahler for a while, but I expect he'll return to me refreshed in due course, perhaps through some revelatory new performance.

And here I agree with Ganymede, the best way to refresh one's ears and mind is through attending live performances, however modest.

As Vic has reported elsewhere, listening fatigue can also sometimes be relieved by the aquisition of a new pie ce of hi-fi, though that's a different story!

Chris

 

 

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parla wrote:
Is there any "inevitable end" in my love for my wife or son, except for my inevitable passing?

I am sure they will be glad to hear that - manacled, as they are, to the cellar wall.

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With a post like Parla's last one who needs a separate thread on the sad state of affairs? Clearly a case of "show, don't tell".

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...or Brodsky's last post for that matter.

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tagalie wrote:

BazzaRiley wrote:

Shostakovich symphonies. I know them too well. Even the debates about them I find tired and stale.

Ditto. I think I could whistle the 10th through first bar to last. Mahler, too, fails to turn my crank the way he used to. For me, I suspect for most of us, the by-product of this ennui is a quest for undiscovered delights in musical backwaters. More often than not this results in confirmation that so-and-so is not unjustly neglected which makes the rewards, when they do come, that much greater. 

One of my first loves, Sibelius, delights me every time I return to him even though I played the grooves off most of my vinyl copies of the symphonies.

I agree with you both regarding Sibelius in that I find his music often has the effect of a palette cleanser when my listenng has become a little heavy. I do not mean to imply it lacks substance, rather it blows away the cobwebs.

I took a break from Mahler for almost two years and on return found his music far more interestigb than ever. But in small doses... he is an event composer for me, which is how I suspect he wrote his music. As I said, recordings are not necessarily the best thing that happened to classical music.

Tagalie - backwaters are for me increasingly essential listening because they offer a particular type of enjoyment. You once wrote about Maria de Rudenza so when it came on sale recently I got hold of a copy and have really been enjoying the experience. I would jump at the chance to see it live, but I suspect my chances are very slim.

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Yehudi Menuhin wrote in his autobiography, Unfinished Journey: "If only I could here the Eroica again for the first time." I have often found myself thinking, "Oh, not that again!" especially of concerto 'warhorses', and may then be pleasantly surprised by an exceptional performance. I also like to try occasional entirely unknown pieces, with mixed results it is true, but I have been delighted by Muti's recent recording of Mercadante's I Due Figaro.

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Naupilus wrote:
I took a break from Mahler for almost two years and on return found his music far more interestigb than ever. But in small doses... he is an event composer for me, which is how I suspect he wrote his music.

You could be right. I almost killed off Mahler 2 a couple of years ago and had to make a real effort to put it to one side. Fortunately, there is still plenty of life left in it.......