Liszt 200 - how was it for you?
2011 has been Liszt's bicentennial and nearly everybody who is anybody has either released a CD or written something about Liszt. Has anybody spent more than a normal time listening to Liszt this year?
I started the year reading his letters and I realised very quickly that he was in many ways an extremely generous human being, giving time and encouragement to all those around him. I still have Alan Walker's three volume biography to start on over Christmas.
And listening to the music in large doses has left me considering how much I really do enjoy his music - his compositional mind seems to have been restless and inventive in the extreme.Not every work is equally great but some of the music we seldom hear is actually pretty wonderful.
If yu have spent time listening to Liszt this year I wonder what your impressions have been and what recordings have become favourites?
Naupilus
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Liszt compositions with piano included - V Good to Excellent
Liszt compositions without piano. Awful.
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Liszt compositions without piano. Awful.
Magnus
That's the conventional view certainly. Christus is certainly not awful. It's patchy but the best passages of the oratorio are excellent. Alex Ross, undoubtedly far more alert than my lug ears, recently spotted the similarities between Christus and Parsifal, particularly in one passage. I was reminded of Bernstein in one of his lectures, sitting at his piano, wryly pointing out the link between Berlioz's Romeo & Juliette and Tristan.
There is some shocking Liszt - I think one of my least played discs is a recording of works for male voice choir; all tracks are duffers. But I have grown to like some of the symphonic works, partly because within them I hear the grains of future composers such as Tchaikovsky and Mahler. Second rate Liszt is interesting because it normally points to something. This is one of the qualities I have come to find endearing over the year.
Anyway, the point of the thread was to ask people how they had explored the composer this year, if they had taken the time. But it seems you have gone minimalist with your comments ;-)
Naupilus
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I have heard enough Liszt all these years, so I decided not to overdo this one. However, I have to state that he is a magnificent and wonderful composer, definitely an amazing one for the piano and a considerable one (particularly for the orchestration) for the symphonic and choral writing. Listening to his Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 (in the Orchestral transcription) in a concert some years ago, I felt I wish I could be a Hungarian to claim this music is "mine". To my surprise, when I mentioned that to a group of people, after the concert, they confessed they felt the same way!..
This year, I rediscovered "Etudes d'execution..." in a great performance by the rather overlooked Ovchinikov in Emi France, the old recordings of the always great Zimmerman in a new double CD on DG and an old fine recording of Thibaudet on Dal Segno.
From the new ones, I found worthy the version of the Concertos with Barenboim/Boulez on DG, a solid recital of J. Moog, (unknown in the rest of Europe but a great figure in Switzerland) on Claves, some very exciting "Annees de Pelerinage" (in excellent SACD sound) by the ignored Ish-Hurwitz on Turtle and a very interesting recital named "Lectures" by a good newcomer, N. Stavy, on Hortus.
Still, not bad for this year.
Parla
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I decided to celebrate the Liszt year with a CD purchase and bought an interesting all Liszt recital re-issued on Australian Eloquance, played by Lilya Zilberstein. An excellent disc.
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My celebration of the Liszt bicentenary included two small marathons: listening to all the 19 Hungarian rhapsodies (by various pianists rather diverse in time and style, ranging from Alfred Grunfeld to Marc-André Hamelin) and also to all the versions of the B minor sonata I currently have (around 16). In this latter part of my personal Lisztian extravaganza, I was reminded once again of how slipshod a performance by the great Sviatoslav Richter could be on occasion: this rendition was taken from the 1966 Aldeburgh Festival, and even granting it's a live recording, it's surprisingly splashy and inaccurate, with notes splattered about and some which were simply dropped. But you wouldn't know that by reading the CD liner notes...
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As far as the sonata goes, I vote Pollini.
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There are two pieces by Liszt I've listened to more than most others and not just in 2011. One is Harmonies du Soir, one of the 12 "Transcendental Studies" (Richter, if any preference is asked for) , and the other the Hungarian Rhapsody no 6 (Cziffra). I know the latter is considered mere rabble-rousing, but then I'm evidently part of the rabble.
The Faust Symphony is another favourite of mine, ever since I first heard it live in 1982. Subsequently, Beecham hasn't disappointed me - I think it must be in another thread that someone denigrates this symphony.
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I started the year reading his letters
Which edition did you read? The only one I know of is the OUP collection in a very stilted and inaccurate translation by one Adrian Williams.
Adrian
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I started the year reading his letters
Which edition did you read? The only one I know of is the OUP collection in a very stilted and inaccurate translation by one Adrian Williams.
Mr Williams may be very disappointd but I kind of cheated and downloaded a Kindle friendly translation from Project Gutenberg. I cannot speak for the accuracy of the translation (but I suspect it was a gentle hatchet job) but the formatting, while not perfect, was adequate. I find Project Gutenberg a good place to get translations of works that would otherwise be much harder to find in a bookshop (a particular robem for me as I am an expat living in Brazil) - I still have Liszt's correspondence with Wagner to read, plus his biography of Chopin. I had to save some money as I also got a copy of Alan Walker's 3 volume biography of Liszt and his more recent biography of Hans von Bulow. I hope this will be my Christmas season reading, together with a biography of John Cage.
Jeremy Denk, the American pianist, just wrote a nice piece on his blog about the pros and cons of Kindles and their cousins. I have to admit I bought a copy of a Beethoven Quartet score for the Kindle, only to find it was impossible to read and keep up with a recording.
Naupilus
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Parla wrote "listening to his Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 in orchestral transcription...."
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But how much of the orchestration of Liszt's works was actually by the composer himself? The contents list on the Biddulph CD of my favourite orchestral recording of HR No 2, Stokowski's 1926/7 Philadelphia version states "arr Muller-Berghaus" whilst the booklet to the Mercury CD of Dorati's LSO recording states Liszt transcribed six of his Hungarian Rhapsodies for orchestra with the assistance of a student named Doppler. Perhaps one of those who have digested the 3 volume biogaphy will be able to enlighten me sometime.
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Parla wrote "listening to his Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 in orchestral transcription...."
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But how much of the orchestration of Liszt's works was actually by the composer himself? The contents list on the Biddulph CD of my favourite orchestral recording of HR No 2, Stokowski's 1926/7 Philadelphia version states "arr Muller-Berghaus" whilst the booklet to the Mercury CD of Dorati's LSO recording states Liszt transcribed six of his Hungarian Rhapsodies for orchestra with the assistance of a student named Doppler. Perhaps one of those who have digested the 3 volume biogaphy will be able to enlighten me sometime.
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The best I can do is quote a part of Liszt's Will (1860) which states:
'6. Hungarian Rhapsodies for large orchestra, orchestrated by F. Doppler - revised by F. Liszt. N.B. The name Doppler must not be omitted from the title-page, for he has done the work marvellously.'
- Franz Liszt: The Weimar Years, 1848 - 1861 (p.562)
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Parla wrote "listening to his Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 in orchestral transcription...."
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But how much of the orchestration of Liszt's works was actually by the composer himself? The contents list on the Biddulph CD of my favourite orchestral recording of HR No 2, Stokowski's 1926/7 Philadelphia version states "arr Muller-Berghaus" whilst the booklet to the Mercury CD of Dorati's LSO recording states Liszt transcribed six of his Hungarian Rhapsodies for orchestra with the assistance of a student named Doppler. Perhaps one of those who have digested the 3 volume biogaphy will be able to enlighten me sometime.
Hi
The best I can do is quote a part of Liszt's Will (1860) which states:
'6. Hungarian Rhapsodies for large orchestra, orchestrated by F. Doppler - revised by F. Liszt. N.B. The name Doppler must not be omitted from the title-page, for he has done the work marvellously.'
- Franz Liszt: The Weimar Years, 1848 - 1861 (p.562)
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I've gone back to Liszt just recently, but with no idea that it was an anniversary year! Poor Franz's reputation is always up for a pummeling, and I admit I didn't pay him any serious attention in my earlier listening years.
Listening closely to his orchestral works for perhaps the first time, I'm surprised by how modern he often sounds. His orchestrations are often striking in an astringent way, and his thematic development outside of sonata form was obviously an important innovation. Honestly, much of his stuff would not sound out of place in a concert of mid-20th century Russian music.
My interest was revised by Australian Eloquence's 2 CD set of Solti in the tone poems and Fischer in the Rhapsodies - but be warned! In my set at least, the end of the final rhapsody was irrevocably glitched (the disc looked fine), and the music could not even be extracted using Exact Audio Copy. But then, I think Solti's appeal in this repertoire is probably of short duration, and Fischer's approach was a little too molded for my tastes.
For the concertos, I have various recordings including an Arrau and Davis disc which for some reason my ears find repellent. I get much more pleasure from my bargain disc featuring Goldmann and Gmur. I have a radio recording of Richter and Mrav in one of the concertos; must fish that out.
There is an Amazon reviewer with initials AA who seems very knowledgable on Liszt, except that he takes every opportunity to excoriate Masur, which I think is unwarranted. Masur's EMI Gemini set with the Faust symphony contains many fine things, and I think I will have to get his complete cycle. But I'd also like to get some authentic Hungarian recordings - the samples I've heard of Lehel in the Faust sound terrific (in dated sound), and Ferencsik's recordings also appeal. (Karajan's recordings OTOH I find totally unappealing; too glitzy and lacking in authentic flavour.)
For those looking to hear Liszt's better tone poems, I recommend the lovely Orpheus, Prometheus, and the Two Episode's from Lenau's Faust. Also the Heroide March, whose sparse grimness reminds me of the late/post Soviet symphonists.
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Lizst might very well be the most facinating of all the composers and performers.I would give anything to be able to travel back in time to hear him play!(hard to believe Brahms actually fell asleep during a Lizst recital of Lizst`s own B minor sonata).He had so many sides to him.Later in life he was anything but the flashy,matinee idol of his youth.He was almost saintly in his generosity.He would give the expensive cigars and boxes of candy that were given to him away to guests and his students.He started a free academy of music.(Though only very talented students need apply).My favorite Lizst story was when he told one of his students in composition class something to the effect of "Your music has much that is both beautiful and new.Unfortunately,the beautiful is not new and the new is not beautiful".(ouch!)I`m going to listen to Bernstein`s recording with the BSO of his Faust Symphony tomorrow along with Brendel`s recording of the B minor Sonata.