Not at all. Using this thread as an example I would think debating the discs that comprise Ian's list would be a very interesting exercise. Not everyone is going to have the same tastes and disagreeing on the music is half the fun.
I have chosen to post on this thread because the validity of the exercise was called into question. I also have no problem with that being debated and discussed, but perhaps in a new thread so that those who wish to carry on with the original discussion can do so.
And with that in mind if any forum user would like to continue this discussion I will create a new thread where this can take place so that Ian's original discussion can continue.
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I did comment earlier, can the list be taken seriously if it incudes pieces that the compiler admits he hasn't listened to completely. But as Luca Thread Police are out in force today that has been removed so I won't ask it again !!!
Thank you for stearing us in the right direction Luca, sorry we have erred. We will obey.
I haven't read the forum for a few months. I took the advice of a fellow poster who said that if the silliness of some of posters gets you down then take a break and come back refreshed and with a bit more patience.
Well I have taken a break and can judge from threads like this one (started with the best of intentions and turned into a nonsense) that I need a longer break! Or perhaps a different forum.
Thanks to those who kept it interesting (for a while at least).
Normally, best intentions lead to somewhere else, dear Martin, not to nonsense necessarily. So, be careful with your or others' best intentions. Definitely, they don't lead to "paradise"...
Traditionally I only post to the forum when there has been a question
or concern raised about the services and products we are offering but I have
chosen to make an exception today in this case.
First of all, I wanted to thank Ian for taking the time to put together
his top 50 list and sharing it on our website. This is one of the many different
uses of the forum that I am always pleased to see and, while I recognise that
this is not how everyone enjoys discussing classical music, I would please ask
that you respect that other people's right to discuss and share ideas without
always having to defend the validity of the exercise.
If lists aren't your thing then you do not have to engage in the
thread - but we would ask that you respect the right of others to hold a
discussion that they find interesting.
Please remember this forum is there to let people share their
ENJOYMENT for classical music.
Luca Da Re
Thankyou. Each day as I listen to the radio or website, I discover a piece I have not heard before, and I enjoy all Classical Music even music that is new to me. I was asked a question recently what constitutes Classical Music, do contemporary composers count. One that comes to mind is Howard Shore. I wonder what others think?
A painter paints pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. ~Leopold Stokowski.
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach.
Music is the poetry of the air. ~Richter.
Hi Ian. Good for you for keeping an open mind!
And yes, I believe that contemporary composers count too! I'm not familiar with Howard Shore's music outside of the movies, but I believe that that is a specialty all of its own. I confess that I seldom buy film music (probably I should try doing that more often) as for me (at least from what I have purchased), I don't find that it holds up to repeated listenings apart from the film context. That being said, I have been very tempted to buy Vaughan Williams film music set on Chandos as I do love much of his music, so you can see that I have conflicted feelings here! LOL So, another question to ponder: if I haven't (or "one hasn't") seen the film(s) before, would I/they still find it to be enjoyable?
And you? Do you know his music outside of his film scores? Or were you referring "just" to those [Again, I'm not trying to minimize brilliant film scores here!].
Oh, please don't run away! :-(
The number of times I have commented about those that join a thread that has a list to tell us how "juvenile", "pointless", how the poster doesn't like lists an wouldn't participate in such a dumbing down and then hangs around the thread like a bad smell rubbishing the contents of...wait for it...lists!
Interesting and a very vital question(s), Ian: a) What constitutes Classical Music and b) do contemporary composers count?
I wonder if you came up with some answers or you were given any by those who asked you these questions. However, this should be the topic of another thread, based on the new come il faut policy. So, you may answer by creating another thread!
based on the new come il faut policy.
All threads based on lists are 'ill thought'.
Actually some of you can help me out by naming a piece that I should listen to, I'll then listen to it in whatever way I can. Sensible pieces only please, thankyou.
All the best
Well, Ian, hopefully you will find these to be "sensible" (don't know whether or not you have heard any of them or not):
Janacek's two string quartets [Several excellent recordings here...maybe also on youtube?]. I love the ones recorded by the Pavel Haas Quartet and also by the (latest configuration) of the Talich Quartet. Both wonderful performances and in great sound. If you find that you like Janacek, I have further recs for you. BTW, Sir Charles Mackerras has recorded lots of Czech music and was a major exponent of it during his lifetime. There are many recordings with him on Supraphon (a Czech label). Perhaps you might want to try one of the two boxed sets which contains several Czech composers' works [They both start out being called "A Life in Czech Music" if you go to look them up].
Happy listening and exploring!
Liszt should be right up ya street maaan.
I'll list a few for you.
Irgens-Jensen's Symphony and Passacaglia on Naxos;
Berlioz' Grande messe des Morts, Davis on Universal;
Malcolm Arnold's 9th symphony, Handley on Decca (although Gamba has recorded it for Chandos and is, arguably, as good).
There you are, all genuine, no piss-take or sarky comments and off the top of my head!