My Top Fifty Classical Music Pieces.
However, that "odd exception" you mention would claim superiority for his recommendations because they would be based on facts not mere opinions.
Vic.
You are cross contaminating the threads Victor. You need to take your battles elsewhere. Buy yourself a teddy.
Tee hee! Your responses are almost Pavlovian, Mr Brodsky! Keep it up.
And talking of contamination, can you tell us what inspired your latest forum name? We know what you intend with it, but does it address everyone, or just me?
Vic.
Vic.
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Vic and Hugh,
Please gents, leave this thread for Ian and people that are trying to help him, etc.! Be kind....
Best, P.
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Excellent suggestion, Petra, but to play the arbitrator between such kind of gents is a rather heavy task.
On a more serious note, to help Ian, for all it might be worth, I would suggest :
- Stick to the music of J.S. Bach for as long as your patience can allow you. He (and his son C.P.E. Bach) are the great school of learning and initiating you to the rest of Classical Music forward and backward.
- Listen to the prolific composers like Haydn and Mozart, even Schubert. They constitute basic knowledge and fundemental listening, moving to the most critical period of the Great Classics. Beethoven should follow a bit afterwards. He is a more unique case as far as his compositions are concerned.
- Then, you may move to the great Romantics (and they are plenty). And so on.
Listening at random, moving from one composer to another (or even worse from one work to another) doesn't lead but to accidental successes and inevitable failures. Bach can never betray you, even if some of his works may bore you.
Good luck.
Parla
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I'm sorry I haven't got back to you as I have been offline for over a week as my server has been down.
I have found a way to listen to music that costs me nothing and is not very far away, it is Gramaphone's player and I have listened to many pieces that I would not normally listen to.
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I have found a way to listen to music that costs me nothing and is not very far away, it is Gramaphone's player and I have listened to many pieces that I would not normally listen to.
Hi Ian. Glad to see that you are back online! And, yes, good idea to check out G's iplayer! The podcasts in which they interview people about composers, etc. can be very interesting plus the historical albums. The newer albums excerpts help to give one an idea what a piece of music is like, but also, they are only one movement, so do keep that in mind. What about listening to stations like the BBCR3 (I listen to it sometimes online. My guess is that you can listen to it over a real radio?! LOL)? Their "Composer of the Week" series can be quite interesting and enlightening. Plus one can do the "Listen Again" for a whole week over the computer too in case you can't listen to it live the first time around. Anyway, do let us know how you get on with your listening and explorations!
Best wishes,
Petra
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Ian
Whatever you do, do NOT listen to this advice from our resident self-important bore.
There is absolutely no point in listening to music which you find boring, or indeed anything wrong in listening to random composers and works which happen to attract your attention.
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Ian
Whatever you do, do NOT listen to this advice from our resident self-important bore.
There is absolutely no point in listening to music which you find boring, or indeed anything wrong in listening to random composers and works which happen to attract your attention.
Thankyou. Actually I love doing random occasionally and come across something I quite like.
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Ian
Whatever you do, do NOT listen to this advice from our resident self-important bore.
There is absolutely no point in listening to music which you find boring, or indeed anything wrong in listening to random composers and works which happen to attract your attention.
That's what I did in my youth, by accessing the foreign (European) radio stations in search of classical music.
Notable successes were Inghelbrecht conducting Debussy in Paris and the 4th Act of Don Carlo from Rome, I think. "Ella giammai m'amo!" had me hooked and I stayed with it until the end of the opera. I had to know what it was!
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Hugh
You are a spoilsport.
You may dislike lists, but, equally others do.
Don't join in.
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Thank you Luca for expressing my thoughts regarding contributing (or not) to a topic started by another poster
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Hugh
You are a spoilsport.
You may dislike lists, but, equally others do.
Don't join in.
They can't help themselves.
It is almost automatic, as a list pops up on a thread they feel the need to tell all participants what they think about lists.
Usually, we have heard it all before but on they prattle.
They are like dust-mites, they will never be got rid of.
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As a composer I have learned that having a 'top 50' of pieces or composers just is pointless. I had a friend who had a set top 100 greatest composers (Mozart being his first and Wagner being his worst!) and that is just ridiculously laughable.I think it also limits a person expanding their horizons. I discover new wonderful pieces all the time listening to Youtube and that is part of the enjoyment of music.I think that many composers, even the very obscure, have written great music. I recently heard the first piece of Matthew Locke's Consort of four parts and it is amazing ,yet not well known. I have recently heard some Ropartz-symphony no. 1 and 4-again hardly played but great stuff.And some Maconchy and Simpson quartets eg. the seventh quartet of those composers are worth exploring. We need to free ourselves from the whole classic fm safe way of thinking. Yes Brahms and Beethoven and Mozart are great but I think other composers not as known also wrote great music eg. Zemlinsky. I think it is pointless to have 'favourites' as I discover new stuff all the time.
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As a composer I have learned that having a 'top 50' of pieces or composers just is pointless. I had a friend who had a set top 100 greatest composers (Mozart being his first and Wagner being his worst!) and that is just ridiculously laughable.I think it also limits a person expanding their horizons. I discover new wonderful pieces all the time listening to Youtube and that is part of the enjoyment of music.I think that many composers, even the very obscure, have written great music. I recently heard the first piece of Matthew Locke's Consort of four parts and it is amazing ,yet not well known. I have recently heard some Ropartz-symphony no. 1 and 4-again hardly played but great stuff.And some Maconchy and Simpson quartets eg. the seventh quartet of those composers are worth exploring. We need to free ourselves from the whole classic fm safe way of thinking. Yes Brahms and Beethoven and Mozart are great but I think other composers not as known also wrote great music eg. Zemlinsky. I think it is pointless to have 'favourites' as I discover new stuff all the time.
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Eventually, jeffyoung, a man of Music who can speak the "language" of Music and the truth about it. I cannot agree more and, as you may see, I have already spoke along these lines.
Of course, I'm more "didactic". So, I always promote the idea that, first, you have to explore, for some time, the great Classics (Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert) and, then, to start the eternal exploration to any direction, so that one may have to comprehend better what's going on e.g. in a Zemlinsky String Quartet or a Glazunov Symphony or in a Biber Sonata.
In any case, I hope forum members (including the initiator of this thread) can hear your voice of reason and knowledge.
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However, that "odd exception" you mention would claim superiority for his recommendations because they would be based on facts not mere opinions.
Vic.
You are cross contaminating the threads Victor. You need to take your battles elsewhere. Buy yourself a teddy.