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But which Brendel? He has recorded the concertos I think four times, the first (Vox Turnabout) including the Choral Fantasy & Rondo Woo 80 which I don't think are in the other sets. Also his Vox Turnabout Beethoven solo works included everything, not just the sonatas, which again I don't think are in his Philips sets.

 I have only one Gulda recording, a DG LP with a couple of Mozart concerti with Abbado & the VPO; it doesn't get any playings though.

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Hi 33lp!  There were two DG records of Mozart Concerti with Gulda and the VPO/Abbado.  The first had concertos 20 & 21.  The second, much less successfully, Nos 25 & 27.  Which one do you have and not play?!

Incidentally, I think you're right that only for Vox did Brendel record everything Beethoven wrote for the piano. Lovely performances, very poorly recorded unfortunately.

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33lp wrote:

But which Brendel? He has recorded the concertos I think four times,...

Hi 33lp - I wasn't thinking of specific works when I wrote that - just piano music in general - Brendel and Perahia are the first two pianists I think of when in the mood for piano solo.

Anyway, since you asked, I listen on Spotify to the Brendel Decca (2010) 32 Sonatas, WoO57, the 5 concerti and Fantasia for Piano.  However, I'm looking for a box set on CD fo high-end listening.

Again coincidentally, Andrew McGregor discussed Brautigam, Osborne, Bavouzet, Lim, Guy and Roscoe, last Saturday on Radio 3 (still available on iPlayer).  I've not digested it yet.

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Brendel and Perahia are the first two pianists I think of when in the mood for piano solo.

Richter - Pollini - Brendel - Perahia, in Beethoven, but I would also add Stefan Vladar. A most underated pianist who has recorded far too little Beethoven so far.

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 I wasn't thinking of specific works when I wrote that - just piano music in general - Brendel and Perahia are the first two pianists I think of when in the mood for piano solo.

And why not; they are great! I don't though like Chris find the sound on all except a few of Brendel's Vox Turnabout Beethoven recordings unacceptable. Other complete sets of the sonatas I have are Barenboim's first set (EMI), Schnabel & Backhaus plus sundry other sonatas from Annie Fischer (very good ), Richter- Haaser, Arrau, Moravec, Horowitz (not in Beethoven!) and sundry others. All very different depending upon one's mood from young men's views to one in his 70s & 80s whose done it all in tough uncompromising performances (ie Backhaus). Backhaus must have had one of the longest recording careers of anyone and forgotten fact: prior to WW1 he was Professor of piano at the forerunner of the RNCM in Manchester.

I find Pollini cold and emotionally detatched from the music and as I was greatly disappointed by a Richter recital when he appeared early in the UK (much hyped) I don't have any of his recordings. 

The Gulda Mozart I have is 20 & 21, perhaps I should give it another go but I usually take out Perahia or Annie Fischer for 20 & 21, Brendel (Vox) for 20 & Myra Hess for 21.

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33lp wrote: "I don't though like Chris find the sound on all except a few of Brendel's Vox Turnabout Beethoven recordings unacceptable." 

What version of these recordings do you have 33lp?  I like Brendel's early recordings very much from the performance point of view.  Brendel himself complained though, in one of his essays, that master tapes that sounded fine were transformed into distorted discs with severely reduced dynamic range.  Presumably, if the master tapes were OK there could be some good transfers about.  That's what I'm wondering?

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Hi Chris

I have the solo works on  Vox CDs but the sound does vary over the series with some of what I think are the earlier ones being a bit "clangy" (especially some of the "loose ends" pieces).  Some are USA manufacture and some Dutch manufacture but they sound like the same digital transfers have been used. There's occasional tape "print through" and tape hiss if listening at reasonable levels. I have the  concerti on American Vox CDs and US Yorkshire label LP pressings with a very marginal preference for the latter.

I note Brilliant Classics have issued a bargain box of all Brendel's Vox & Vanguard recordings but don't have any details.

Didn't he also complain about movement gaps and spacings on the original LPs in that same essay?

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Yes he did. [It is in Musical Thoughts and Afterthoughts]. I suppose they are still the same?

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Well I don't have any sonatas on LP for comparison but I would guess they're the same. A few years ago after Brendel had been somewhat dismissive of his earlier recordings in a Gramophone interview, I exchanged a couple of e-mails with Tod Landor who was then handling the Vox catalogue in the US with a few tongue in cheek comments that Brendel was perhaps a bit miffed by the fact he was in those days paid a fee only basis with no say in how the recordings were to be issued or reissued!

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PS I was amused to read in Musical Thoughts and Afterthoughts about the log fire heating the room in the Viennese mansion where they were recording having to be put out because its crackling could be heard!

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Hi, Petra,

I must say that I am very partial to Alfred Brendel.  I don't have the complete sonatas by any one performer but I have the complete Beethoven piano concertos by Brendel (the 2nd movement of the 5th concerto just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up every time !)

There are some great recordings on youtube but sadly they always seem to be followed by comments with people bickering about who is "best". 

In my musically naive opinion, arguing whether Horowitz is better than Kempf is a bit like arguing whether a BMW is better than a Mercedes.  They are both oustanding and quality, but you may favour one's interpretation over the other.  Neither is better, they are just different.

In response to Hertel, I mentioned it because I am an amateur trumpet player (no formal training or qualifications I might add) and I notice Parla made reference to the trumpet.  I'm very fond of the trumpet concerto in D by J. W. Hertel which Håkan Hardenberger so beautifully recorded in the mid 1980s on the Philips label.

 

Matt

Hi Matt,

I envy your ability to play an instrument! :-)

Sorry, I hope that I didn't come across as trying to imply that I think that one person's recordings of (in this case) Beethoven's piano sonatas was "the best" or that I was trying to find "the ultimate recording of them either as a whole set or for particular sonatas". I do enjoy various interpretations (particularly Kempff's as a whole) but am always happy to explore further. And as "Alice" put it in an amusing way (though I would beg to differ about some of "her" descriptions), everyone has a different way of interpreting/approaching them. Some times I'm in the mode for one way, sometimes another. But like you, and I'm sure many others here, I believe that there's more than one approach that can move one and be considered as "valid". :-)

Best wishes,

Petra

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33lp, you wrote:

"I was amused to read in Musical Thoughts and Afterthoughts about the log fire heating the room in the Viennese mansion where they were recording having to be put out because its crackling could be heard!"  

More than that! He [Brendel] wrote "the logs in the fireplace where we recorded crackled so loudly that we had to throw them out of the window into the snow." !!

I must say I'm rather tempted by the Briulliant Classics box of the Beethoven sonatas.  The young Brendel's playing had an exuberance that was less evident in his later recordings.  Speaking of which, there was another complete traversal of the sonatas made by Brendel for the BBC (and broadcast on the Third Programme) not long after the Vox recordings .  I wonder whether the BBC still has the tapes?

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Hello fellow classical music lovers. Accidentally ran into this website (was browsing vintage gramophones) and got interested about what the website, and the forum, has to offer.

Was pleasantly surprised to see parla outlining Impromptu in G flat major - I assume most of us had, and still are succumbing to the sublimacy it unfolds. 

Going back to the founding post of this thread, I would state that Schubert and Bethoven are good foundation blocks only for those who did not have the chance to finish a music school or a degree and became interested in classical music in their adult years. Those who did start early, might remember that you only talked about them for a few years before touching their music even though there are Mr B's pieces out there that would suit an 8 year old's ear. Explaining the reasons (the maturity of the brain, type of personality, the difficulty of the piece etc.) is in the application of dissertation and although fundamentally known to us, those can only unfold in a sequence of posts. That being said, my position rests on the importance of starting with Tchaikovsky, Clementi, Strauss, Czerny (yes, they are very different) and a few others. I must point out that it's my personal observation, not an accepted opinion. 

Do not like Perahia or Brendel's take on Mozart's piano concertos, though Brendel as a soloist is a bliss (regards to Waldstein). 

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I would state that Schubert and Bethoven are good foundation blocks only for those who did not have the chance to finish a music school or a degree and became interested in classical music in their adult years. That being said, my position rests on the importance of starting with Tchaikovsky, Clementi, Czerny

 

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Do you really want to go there? In addition to making a mistake and altering my words, shooting holes in your comment would result in someone's insufficient ability to comprehend the type of foundation one needs to nurture understanding of music, not in building a house.