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I will not be subscribing to Gramaphone, it is nowhere as good as the ClassicFM magazine.

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Ian Paternoster wrote:
I will not be subscribing to Gramaphone, it is nowhere as good as the ClassicFM magazine.

In what respect, Ian?

Apparently CFM magazine is defunct so your choice has narrowed somewhat.  I suppose it comes down to what you want from a music mag.  For me, it's the reviews first, the features second and the news third.  I never get around to listening to the download, for some reason.  I've taken BBCMM almost since the beginning and Gramophone for only a few years now.  I would miss each equally, I think, although the cover disc that comes with the former has been a major factor in introducing me to music I would not otherwise have thought of listening to - a major part of my musical education, in fact.  I appreciate the greater depth in Gramophone, something that would not have happened without what BBCMM gave me over the years.

Hope you stick with us anyway.

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VicJayL wrote:

 I appreciate the greater depth in Gramophone, ...

I'd say that Gramophone has a larger highbrow image than BBCmm but I'll take another look at it.  I'm saving up my Tesco loyalty points for a BBCmm subscription so will be taking both soon.

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I had not realised that  CFMM had closed.  I now understand the new 'Hall of Fame' in The Gramophone!  I think it is called dumbing down to widen the reader profile.  What is worse it seems to be sponsored by Amazon which is killing high street record shops - and your advertisers. 

Looking into it further I saw Joyce Didonato - a fine singer perhaps but in the top 50?  I am sure we can all think of more significant singers - US or otherwise - such as Jessye Norman, Renee Fleming, Beverley Sills, Barbara Bonney, and Dawn Upshaw and from elsewhere Renata Tebaldi, Lisa Dela Casa, Lotte Lehmann, Kiri te Kanawa, Emma Kirkby - the list could go on forever.  I then guessed which record company Ms Didonato was with - yes EMI apparently a co-sponsor of the Hall of Fame.  That's quite a coincidence.

What seems to be happening is to convert The Gramophone to something more akin to CFMM.  Well for me, if it continues,  BBC MM here I come.

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You should get BBC Music anyway. The CD alone is usually worth the price, especially if you subscribe.

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Bliss wrote:
You should get BBC Music anyway. The CD alone is usually worth the price, especially if you subscribe.

Yep.  Agree with Bliss here.  The CDs have introduced me to some great music over the years, stuff I wouldn't have thought of trying.   And just imagine what's in the Beeb's archive ripe for release - courtesy of our and Brodsky's licence fee, of course.

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rrsheard wrote:

I had not realised that  CFMM had closed.  I now understand the new 'Hall of Fame' in The Gramophone!  I think it is called dumbing down to widen the reader profile.  What is worse it seems to be sponsored by Amazon which is killing high street record shops - and your advertisers. 

Looking into it further I saw Joyce Didonato - a fine singer perhaps but in the top 50?  I am sure we can all think of more significant singers - US or otherwise - such as Jessye Norman, Renee Fleming, Beverley Sills, Barbara Bonney, and Dawn Upshaw and from elsewhere Renata Tebaldi, Lisa Dela Casa, Lotte Lehmann, Kiri te Kanawa, Emma Kirkby - the list could go on forever.  I then guessed which record company Ms Didonato was with - yes EMI apparently a co-sponsor of the Hall of Fame.  That's quite a coincidence.

What seems to be happening is to convert The Gramophone to something more akin to CFMM.  Well for me, if it continues,  BBC MM here I come.

Well, you could have voted for your entry into the hall of fame because, according to my Gramophone it states "as voted by readers of..." but, perhaps, you were wise in rising above the rest of us in refusing to participate in this "dumbing down" exercise.

Is Amazon alone in killing off high street record shops, I wonder, or do we all need to take responsibility in choosing to shop online, and not just at Amazon?

Something for you to put your, obviously, superior mind to providing an answer.  

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I've thought of subscribing to BBC MM, but hasn't it been bought by yet another media group. I don't think the BBC control it any longer. How can we be assured of editorial independence? Isn't that a myth anyway?

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If you don't expect too much and you like to have every month an original CD of complete works, BBCMM is worth the subscription. The rest of your concerns are irrelevant...It's just another Classical Music magazine.

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troyen1 wrote:

rrsheard wrote:

I had not realised that  CFMM had closed.  I now understand the new 'Hall of Fame' in The Gramophone!  I think it is called dumbing down to widen the reader profile.  What is worse it seems to be sponsored by Amazon which is killing high street record shops - and your advertisers. 

Looking into it further I saw Joyce Didonato - a fine singer perhaps but in the top 50?  I am sure we can all think of more significant singers - US or otherwise - such as Jessye Norman, Renee Fleming, Beverley Sills, Barbara Bonney, and Dawn Upshaw and from elsewhere Renata Tebaldi, Lisa Dela Casa, Lotte Lehmann, Kiri te Kanawa, Emma Kirkby - the list could go on forever.  I then guessed which record company Ms Didonato was with - yes EMI apparently a co-sponsor of the Hall of Fame.  That's quite a coincidence.

What seems to be happening is to convert The Gramophone to something more akin to CFMM.  Well for me, if it continues,  BBC MM here I come.

Well, you could have voted for your entry into the hall of fame because, according to my Gramophone it states "as voted by readers of..." but, perhaps, you were wise in rising above the rest of us in refusing to participate in this "dumbing down" exercise.

Is Amazon alone in killing off high street record shops, I wonder, or do we all need to take responsibility in choosing to shop online, and not just at Amazon?

Something for you to put your, obviously, superior mind to providing an answer.  

 

I don't believe that Amazon is solely to blame for the demise of high street record shops. Bad service is partly to blame. The only remaining record shop in the US with a decent classical selection was Borders which went out of business. However, even at Borders, there was never knowledgeable staff, just lots of CDs. Buyers were left on their own as to what recording was better, etc. I do miss the specialist stores were the staff were well acquainted with the recordings in the shop. I don't miss buying whatever Borders had on stock. I much prefer finding the recording I want on Amazon, usually at a lower price - even with overnight shipping. In lieu of expert staff, we have the Gramophone CD guide (which does not mean I approve of it wholeheartedly).

Overall, online shopping is a better experience for the shopper. You can shop in the comfort of your own home without having to beat traffic, be pressured to buy something that is not entirely to your satisfaction, and dealing with incompetent staff who don't know the products they are selling. Plus, if you don't like the product you buy online, you can always return it. Most websites have very flexible return policies.

 

 

 

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Although it would not take me long on the tube to get to HMV in Oxford Street, which is close to Harold Moores, I haven't visited either in years, preferring the internet sites and, as I said, not always Amazon because they are not always the cheapest.

Although I have not experienced it I know some who have had problems with returns to Amazon. I must praise my favoured sites for not prevaricating over any, rare, returns.

In fact, one of them gives me a birthday discount every year. A discount which, I note,  is imminent!

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parisboy42 wrote:

I don't believe that Amazon is solely to blame for the demise of high street record shops. Bad service is partly to blame.

Agreed, totally. Same with bookshops. Every time a local bookstore shuts its doors there's an uproar amongst the people who tend to uproar over everything. Personally I'd had enough of sniffy assistants and owners who just want you to buy what's on the shelves shut-up and get out. I've had excellent service out of both Amazon and Presto.

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On the contrary, I had excellent service from big, great and specialised record stores in different countries, which, in some cases like Dussmann in Berlin, constitute cultural institutions (das Kulturhaus). It used to be a meeting point of friends and like-minded people, artists, musicians, actors, etc. Throughout the purchase ritual, you could have the chance to listen to plenty of incredibly interesting new releases from the well established hi-fi equipment of the store. You had the chance to have access to the real product, as it was, and you had the feeling that your buying process was something more than that. Quite often, we simply visited the store, simply to be there and be a part of its life.

Even now, since I have to move in difficult countries from time to time, I order from specific specialised record stores or the distributors or producers themselves rather than the impersonal Amazon, Fnac, etc.

Anyway, O tempora, O mores!

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troyen1 wrote:

Is Amazon alone in killing off high street record shops, I wonder, or do we all need to take responsibility in choosing to shop online, and not just at Amazon?

The thing that is concerning me a little at the moment is Amazon's avoidance of paying corporation tax, despite huge amount of transactions, because they are based in Luxembourg. At the moment, I am mulling over the problem. When possible I like to use bricks and mortar stores - but this is  not always possible. CDs are fine, I get most of my online purchases from Europadisc, who, I hope, are UK based and pay their taxes. Books and downloads are another matter, as I can think of no alternative volume seller of books online and all the download stores I can think of are overseas operations.

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I certainly miss a good CD store (I live several hundred miles from London) as over the years I have collected a number of good CDs which I would probably not have bought or perhaps not come accross had they not been in front of me. In one town where I used to shop regularly even the two big chain stores had fairly comprehensive classical departments where one could find some interesting gems.

As to download stores being overseas what of the Chandos Classical shop in Essex? This is the only download site I use because it's simple & straightforward and most items are available uncompressed at full CD bit rate.