Parla - a note on sources
Mon, Feb 25 2013, 11:33PM
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RE: I've always enjoyed the lists
...BS records.
lol. Another classic from Ms EG.
The Kraus list was the best. It was pitifully clear that he had never heard of the composer before I mentioned him!
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 11:03AM
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RE: I've always enjoyed the lists I've always enjoyed the lists
It would nice to put all his recommendations together to see just how many lifetimes it would take to listen to them all.
Indeed. If he spent more time actually listening to music than pretending to do so, I suspect he might have something worthwhile to say.
You're also forgetting his endearing habit of using italics, ''paretheses'' and ausländische Wörter to suggest hidden profundities in his utterances which cannot be appreciated by us lesser mortals.
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 12:01PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
Why don't you try, Jane? I have said repeatedly I am neither a young man nor a novice in Classical Music. My collection is real and I keep buying on a constant basis new or older releases, whether you wish to believe it or not. Of course, it is a useless question, since it cannot be proved. However, just for your information, some of my very last purchases are:
- PAS DE DEUX: French Music for Piano Duo by Milhaud, Ravel, Bizet, Poulenc with Monica and Rica Bard (on Audite, in Sacd).
- FROBEERGER: Complete Capriccios with Bob van Asperen, on Aeolus.
- BEETHOVEN: Septet/Sextet with Philarmonisches Oktett Berlin, on Exton.
- DESDEN CONCERTI: Concertos by Zelenka, Heinichen, Neruda etc. with Dresden Kapellsolisten, on Sony.
- THE MARVELS OF NICOLO PAGANINI: Works for Viola, Cello and Harp as well as for Harp solo on Harp and Co.
- TELEMANN/PFEIFFER/GRAUN: Concerti for Viola da gamba with Hille Perl, on DHM.
- DOROTHEE MIELDS: Sacred Arias (German Baroque Arias and works of the 17th century from composers such Bernhard, Pachelbel, Buxtehude, Tunder, Becker, Bruhns a.o.), on DHM.
- ELGAR/CARTER: Cello Concertos with A. Weilerstein under Barenboim, on DG.
- MENDELSSOHN: Elijah by McCreesh, on Signum.
- SCUMANN: Works for Fortepiano. A double CD with well known works of R. Schumann on a Johann Nepomuk Trondlin instrument of around 1835 (on Accent).
- CRISTOBAL GALAN (ca. 1625-1684): Canto del alma, on Lauda. A double CD on the vocal works of a forgotten/neglected composer of sensitive, subtle and very refined music. The Box offers a vaqriety of the composers motets, psalms, cantos, duets and solo pieces.
So, Jane, if you wish any further details (for further proof) of the above, feel free to ask.
Best wishes,
Parla
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 12:25PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
I see some of you still doubt my ancient hellenic studies and you think I resorted to some other sources (another note on sources?). Just note that, then: To epraxa philotimian poioumenos or in actual ancient Greek: Το έπραξα φιλοτιμίαν ποιούμενος.
Still, I don't try to prove anything; I just wish to show you that you're really wasting your time, energy, wit, temper, spoil your character and, actually, troll the forum.
I really hate to respond to these kind of nonsense, but how I can stay silent in this total waste...(another necessary ellipsis).
Parla
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 1:36PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
The more I read, the more gems I found. It's amazing how far some of you may go. From 50m's post #15 of yesterday, I read and add my comments (in parenthesis):
"And don't you hate (!) it when you attack (first admission) someone rather harshly- a bit too harshly (second admission), perhaps (and some ambivalence), but still deservedly (can any attack, rather harsh or a bit too harsh, be justified in a civilised world?) and they come back to you not with a counter-attack (so this is what you expected?) but with big wet puppy eyes? (oh really? Did you really see my eyes or get what is actually happening to the man behind Parla?).
It's like kicking a dog (!!) and watching it crawl back to you with an expression that says "I still love you" (that's the picture-gem of all). So, do I have good reasons not to love you, all of you? Or there is room for hatred, animosity and some more nice notions in this forum?
Parla
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 2:49PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
Frankly, parla, I don't care how you interpret my message (I should have known better than to expres some honest self-doubt, though) but if your dissatisfaction with it has the effect of you stopping your replies to my posts in other threads, I guess it's a win-win situation for both of us.
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 2:55PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources RE: Parla - a note on sources
Just note that, then: To epraxa philotimian poioumenos or in actual ancient Greek: Το έπραξα φιλοτιμίαν ποιούμενος.
Groan. You couldn't make it up, could you?
Tue, Feb 26 2013, 4:34PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
Wikifiers will note that "philotimia" can take on the negative colouring of "the urge to be thought superior."
Wed, Feb 27 2013, 4:50PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
The translation is totally wrong, DST. Filotimia is a very positive word in both ancient and even modern Greek. It consists of the words Filos (φιλος)+Friend and Timi (Τιμη)=Honour and means the one who acts for achieving a goal because of care or interest. The whole expression filotimian poioumenos means exactly that, since the present participle (poioumenos) come from the verb poiw (ποιω), which means simply to do, to act.
If you need more on ancient Greek, I'm at your disposal.
Thu, Feb 28 2013, 4:38AM
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Parla - a note on sources
οιμοι. I will go through this once, but my toleration threshold is getting low.
Philotimia (φιλοτιμια) - love of honour - is a very vexed term, and is so far from being uniformly "positive" that even the good old Liddell and Scott lexicon distinguishes, in so many words, between recorded uses in "good" and "bad" senses. The problem, briefly, was the way identity in classical Greek culture was wrapped up with honour and shame; if you were a high-status male your "stock" depended on how you were perceived by others, and the enhancement of your image was at others' expense (and vice versa). "Philotimia" was locked into competition: the desire for honour could be positive, or dangerously close to the destabilizing impulses of ambition, violent rivalry and unnecessary contentiousness (sound familiar, anyone?). In the Rhetoric Aristotle places it among the causes of "unjust" action.
I don't ask anyone to take my word for all this. There are several books which talk about the difficulty of reconciling "philotimia" with Athenian civic needs. The collection The Lash of Ambition: Plutarch, Imperial Greek Literature and the Dynamics of Philotimia, ed. G. Roskam et al., came out last year, and the notes give a full picture of the topic's history. There's a nice starting bibliography in Spawforth and Hornblower's Oxford Classical Dictionary, especially good for the Athenian context.
My Wiki-reference, Parla, was a gentle dig at your own evident need to invest so much of yourself in frantically competitive lists of CDs - a rather dire form of "excess" φιλοτιμια if ever there was one! Thanks for the offer to put your ancient Greek "studies" at my disposal. But I think I'll stick with ancient Greek.
Thu, Feb 28 2013, 9:03AM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
der singende teufel
You've just been Parla-ed. (Parla'd?)
Thu, Feb 28 2013, 8:42AM
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Thu, Feb 28 2013, 10:24AM
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Ironically, of course, the little gang who are complaining that Parla just goes on and on repeating the same things endlessly to the detriment of this forum are now going on and on repeating things endlessly to the detriment of this forum. Are there no mirrors in the little gangs house?
Thu, Feb 28 2013, 3:48PM
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RE: Parla - a note on sources
You mean apparently "ωιμέ" (alas), DST. Woe betide you, if you tell any Greek that filotimia (or filotimo, in more modern Greek) has negative connotations. However, we are not here to resolve linguistic questions in philosophical terms. So, suit yourself.
Anyway, we're observing the truce.
Parla
I've always enjoyed the lists of recommended recordings from parla. No matter what the subject, what era, what composer, he can recommend ten recordings and comment on everyone one of them. (A magnificent SACD recording of blah blah blah on BS records.......)
It would nice to put all his recommendations together to see just how many lifetimes it would take to listen to them all.