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Rattle Replacement

So the Rattle has announced he is off........Any guesses as to who might replace him?

My thoughts: (1) they will go for someone fairly young as they like to appoint for long periods and prefer long-term stability; (2) must be someone with a decent brand image and recording track record (they won't want to take too many risks); (3) democratic, rather than autocratic in style (they don't like Hitler very much).

My guess: Dudamel (already doing some guest conducting there, very popular if a bit suspect), or (better still) Vladimir Jurowksi (great image, impeccable credentials, does the standard repertoire, family already based in Berlin).

 

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I think they might pick Thielemann. Not Dudamel, he's too young still.

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No way, ganymede - Thielemann is just too iffy on too many occasions. His pedigree is suspect across the board. Too many duff recordings (wierd tempos, leaden conducting) and duff concerts. He is not going to pack out venues or sell disks around the world. There is nothing remotely exciting or cutting edge about him.

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Barenboim must still be a contender. He has a strong presence in Berlin already.

Chris A.Gnostic

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Well, I don't know. He's not my favourite conductor, but he does tick many boxes for them. 

Dudamel is much further from their ideals I think.

My personal favourite would be someone like Harding, but he's too young still.

Jurowski is interesting but he's also too young still. And I don't mean only age, I mean professional experience and international reputation. Thielemann is the right professional age and having been a student of Karajan may help a little between the lines.

But who knows...

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c hris johnson wrote:

Barenboim must still be a contender. He has a strong presence in Berlin already.

I think he would have been a contender when Rattle got the job, but he's too old now.

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Absolutely, Barenboim is far too old. He is seventy NOW, so he'll be seventy-five in 2018 - eighty-five after a standard ten year appointment. No chance. He'll probably be dead by then. Conducting an orchestra isn't the same thing as managing one the size of the BPO: with all the politics, bureaucracy and touring, it is not an old man's job.  

Jurowksi will be 46 in 2018 - that sounds about right for me. (Rattle was 47). Also, he has plenty of experience with top orchestras: LPO, stuff at Glyndbourne, Boston, Philadelphia, major Russian orchestras. You heard it here first.

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Dudamel is too young, Barenboim is too old, Jurowski is a good bet..... and what about Gergiev? Chailly is totally out of the question?

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Have they thrown their rattle out of the prom.

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Speculation is a most favourite sin. It ends up to some unpredictable or odd choices (like poor Rattle's; another golden mediocrity). Anyway, BPO has ceased to be the orchestra of the glorious past; it's just a very good musical engine (of course, most, if not all, of the conductors, nowadays, perform like excellent -at times- musical engineers).

Parla

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Let's face it - anyone would be an improvement over fuzzyhead.

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Yes, I must agree, Rattle has never been one of my favourite conductors. Abbado certainly is though. Conductors tend to wander more these days.

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How about Lorin Maazel, I think he went up in a lot of people's estimation when he took the NYPO to North Korea.

 

DSM

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Am I the only one who thinks Dudamel is more a showboater than a probing, seasoned and serious conductor? Isn't he more DG's project, with the other "sistema" political overlay, than BPO calibre?

 

Bill

 

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[whnew1 wrote:]

Am I the only one who thinks Dudamel is more a showboater than a probing, seasoned and serious conductor?

No, you are not. But people change with age, let's see if he is to become a sort of new conductor of the masses indeed.

However I think one should not underestimate his potential as a candidate for the post. He's young but got many things that may be of some interest to BPO managers. He's talented, has popular appeal, has charisma and is good at those marketing things. If this means to get BPO a little back to the status it had during Karajan era.........

What about Paavo Jarvi?

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I'm rather surprised that Rattle has announced his resignation a full five years in advance.  Giving enough notice is one thing but five years of uncertainty seems rather a lot?

chris

Chris A.Gnostic

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