Rattle Replacement
Sun, Jan 13 2013, 7:07PM
#2
RE: Rattle Replacement
I really don't think they will go for Thielemann, ganymede. He is too much of a bully and has a track record of damaging disputes. This is an orchestra that eventually threw out Karajan because they were sick and tired of his autocratic style. Then we had Abbado (consensual and never confrontational) and Rattle (democratic in style.) I just don't see them handing the reins to someone like Thielemann, especially when he is suspect in so many other areas. If they want to benefit from his Wagner or Strauss, they should throw him plenty of guest spots and maybe do some recordings with him.......otherwise, I think they will keep clear.
Sun, Jan 13 2013, 9:00PM
#3
RE: Rattle Replacement
I really don't think they will go for Thielemann, ganymede. He is too much of a bully and has a track record of damaging disputes. This is an orchestra that eventually threw out Karajan because they were sick and tired of his autocratic style. Then we had Abbado (consensual and never confrontational) and Rattle (democratic in style.) I just don't see them handing the reins to someone like Thielemann, especially when he is suspect in so many other areas. If they want to benefit from his Wagner or Strauss, they should throw him plenty of guest spots and maybe do some recordings with him.......otherwise, I think they will keep clear.
Well, let's hope you're right!
All this is speculation anyways, but it does show that we all have a little bit of a problem in identifying perfect candidates amongst the younger generation of conductors. Interesting.
Mon, Jan 14 2013, 12:20AM
#4
RE: Rattle Replacement
Which recordings of van Zweden do you have, Lilian? The ones I have tells me a quite different story than the "completely clinical and thus lacking in life". I never recall Solti as the "intimate" conductor. His recordings and live performances were impressive and direct enough to be far from "intimate" or "refined" or "subtle". Van Zweden is highly appreciated in some other parts of the globe, where, perhaps, audiences translate what you call "in-you-face music-making" as excitement, energetic pulse and strong performances.
In any case, the Barbirolli, Klemperer, Krips, Monteux, Reiner and Szell do not exist anymore; neither their remote likes. Besides, none of them got any post in VPO, BPO or RCO (as far as I can recall). Finally, I don't remotely believe the one who might get the job is going to be or even become "great". BPO does not need that great conductors anymore and it has proved that with its latest selections.
Parla
P.S.: 1.What is that "ridiculous", Jane? I simply supported another poster's view about a conductor. So are we both ridiculous to simply claim our appreciation about a performer? And what this has to do with "wikipedia"? This oversimplification, generalisation and counterbalance does not concern me at all, but if you feel you may affect me, be my guest.
2. While I have plenty to do (I can assure you; you see what time I respond every day), I feel honoured to respond to your "polite" and "subtle" posts.
3. Congratulations on your first posts dealing with the actual issues of Classical Music, even if you are confined, for the time being, to questions of speculation.
Wed, Jan 16 2013, 1:40PM
#5
RE: Rattle Replacement
My fervent hopes are that the Berliners go for neither Thielemann or Barenboim (musical rather than "management" reasons).
Favoured candidates? If I were interviewing only 3, I'd ask Jonathan Nott, Daniel Harding & Andris Nelsons along.
Wed, Jan 16 2013, 2:59PM
#6
RE: Rattle Replacement RE: Rattle Replacement
I suspect that the Philharmonikers will already have ideas about who they might prefer (at this early stage) to replace SSR.
I should say at this point, I don't really believe recordings are the medium by which to make a serious assessment of a conductor's ability. These days studio, and even 'live', recordings can be put together, not quite bar by bar, but certainly phrase by phrase.
I think the BPO would be a tad reluctant to appoint Andris Nelsons, unless his propensity to cancel concerts changes in the next five years. He has withdrawn from several over the last twelve months or so, and I suspect they would not want someone with that kind of inclination.
That said, he most certainly is one of the most exciting conductors of the present crop of 'younger' ones.
Jonathan Nott has a track record in Germany so they might put him some way up their 'short' list.
Let's wait and see!!
Wed, Jan 16 2013, 5:24PM
#7
RE: Rattle Replacement
Norman Lebrecht recently wrote "A large number of players,
and an even larger section of the home audience, would vote outright
for Christian Thielemann. He is by far the most popular conductor in
Germany today".
Personally, I think it would be a good fit. Whatever you think of
his conducting, Thielemann has the ability to produce memorable
performances. Also like Furtwangler, Karajan, Abbado and I
understand, Nikisch, Thielemann has his own sound - something Rattle
has never been able to achieve. I agree completely with the comments
about Rattle's performances being flat.
Yes Thielemann can be a bully, but with a tough bunch like the BPO
is that necessarily a bad thing?
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I wouldn't be surprised if you are right Ganymede. I suspect there might be a reaction to Rattle and his repertoire and they will look for a more conservative conductor. And three non-German conductors in a row?? That counts against Chailly too.
Chris
Chris A.Gnostic