Requiem: hundreds ways to sing it in the centuries

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So, another thread has been degenerated to making fun against the posters. Nothing more about the fate of "Requiem".

However, I can assure you my Requiem has not yet ordered. By the way, I still enjoy Weill's Das Berliner Requiem (in the brilliant recording of Paul Hillier, on Glossa).

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A critic none finer
Who knows his d minor
And laments that this thread
On music for the dead
Has de-gen-er-ated,
So now we're berated.

Comments were invited
And some deemed 'correct',
Others were 'marginal'
And far from perfect,
But there's plenty of art in
The work of Frank Martin
And Sylvano Bussotti,
Though a little bit dotty
Is worthy of mention,
Indeed of attention.

After such mournful music
Some humour is fine,
For man born of woman
Hath but a short time.
Forget Dies Irae
It's too often eerie;
Libera me, Domine
With a large glass of wine.

 

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RE: Requiem: hundreds ways to sing it in the centuries

The wine rhymes well, Mark. Keep on drinking. You might even compose a Requiem for your pals in this forum.

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With what rejoicing do I see

With this new day new poesy!

Thy well-turned wit and nimble quill

Doth this dark world with radiance fill,

O Mark!  But soft now, here’s my beef:

It seems our Parla, once a thief

Of others’ words, cannot refrain,

But must to his old tricks again.

His learned discourse on Ropartz,

Familiar-seeming with our arts,

Hath reft a turn of phrase away

From Wikipédia en français.

    [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_(Ropartz)]

Good Wigmore unaware abets

A post on Mozart’s String Quintets.

None need rely for proof on me –

The proof is there for all to see.

And one most strange abuse there is:

The thread that cousin is to this

(‘Death in Classical Music’ named)

Plucks up whole paragraphs first framed

By goodly Justin Davidson

At www.emusic.com

Both where that thread is first begun

And later, when ‘tis somewhat spun.

[See http://www.emusic.com/listen/#/music-news/spotlight/death-in-classical-music/]

 

Parla, though I would not lampoon,

I wonder at this purloined tune.

A stolen garment hardly goes

With this your hierophantic pose.

Dazed by your longing to impress -

Though by your knowledge rather less -

Some might think what you’d have them view

Is not Euterpe, friend, but you.

‘Tis hard to guide the keen beginner,

While you are yet a hardened sinner.

But yet I beg you to repent!

Think this affectionately meant,

And let us share our glorious gems

And meditate more Requiems.

 

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To my good friend sire Teufel:

Thy wit, good friend, I much admire
And fear it casts mine i' the mire;
Thy poesy is much admired
And mine, alas, should be retired!
Thy scholarship on this musicke
Doth make our wretched Parla sicke,
His sources, all too oft consulted
Have in his downfall now resulted!
He fev'rishly doth hunt and scour
By candlelight, hour upon hour,
To post his posts in post-post haste,
His plagiarism in bad taste -
Better to drink wine from my cup
Than say to all - The game is up.

(The above sonnet was dash-ed off on Sir Marke's shirtcuffs
before he retire-ed for the night).

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Sir Mark, too modest th'art by far!

Thy well-made numbers none can mar.

And thine is sure a merry revel

To pen a sonnet to the devil.

Alas, here in the lesser hell

There's none to teach HTML,

And so I see my sorry ode

Doth trawl a cloud of garbled code.

But now methinks to cease is best

And wish you (not eternal!) rest.

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RE: sonnet in honour of der teufel

Thanks chaps, that's started off my day with several guffaws!

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What mean these monstrous shadows? Ha! They come at me again, and again. Is there no respite? I would rather be a drowned rat in search of a coxcomb, than a sovereign in search of an ale-house! Flibbertigibet the foul fiend is here. Afraid I must go, with a hey nonny nonny no...

(Editor's note: These final words are a strong indication that Sir Marke succumbed to 'the great sicknesse' which much affected the forum in the summer of 2012. The illness was caused by frustration and despair, amongst other things).

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RE: Requiem: hundreds ways to sing it in the centuries

Back on topic - don't forget the Pizzetti Requiem I mentioned on the Ildebrando Pizzetti thread. A beautiful work.

Mark

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Spot on, Mark, now that you're sober. Pizzetti is truly beautiful.

We should not forget Gounod's Requiem as well. The recent release by Mirare with Corboz is a small treasure.

Be always good,

Parla

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Wow! Just had a listen to the Faure Requiem this afternoon. What a fantastic work.

'It has been said that my Requiem does not express the fear of death, and somebody called it a lullaby of death. But that is how I see death, as a happy deliverance, an aspiration to happiness above rather than as a painful experience'. (Quoted in the sleeve notes as told by Faure to his friend Louis Agettant in 1902).

Hence the repetition of the word requiem in five of the seven movements, and only a very brief mention of 'Dies Irae' just 4 lines in the Libera Me movement - a temporary black cloud if you like.

I thought the work was near perfect. A very moving piece. In its gentle way it had more heart-breaking moments than watching England play! Some darker colours provided by the baritone soloist in movements 2 and 6, and an obvious peaceful, heavenly ending in the last movement 'In paradisum'. My only quibble is that I wanted more of the soprano soloist - only given the Pie Jesu 4th movement.

It is also apparent from the sleeve notes that Faure saw his Requiem as an antidote to the excesses of the Berlioz, for which he did express some distaste. It is also of course therefore entirely different from the big bold drama of the Verdi as well.

If that's Faure then I am now a convert! He is one of those composers in the past that I have listened to here and there. Thanks Parla. Now for the Guy Ropartz as well if it is along similar lines.

Mark

PS The version came from my local library - it's Marriner/St. Martin in the Fields with soloists Sylvia McNair and Thomas Allen on Philips. 1995.

PPS DST The Frank Martin not yet arrived - on its way from Austria via Amazon. Again, that sounds from your comments as if it is in a similar vein.

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Mark, Ropartz's Requiem is very French, taking influences from both Berlioz and Faure. It's not that inspiring as the great ones, but worth exploring it.

Unfortunately, there is only one version available (to my knowledge). It's on the French Accord, an old recording back to 1995, with all French forces under a certain Michel Piquemal.

If you wish something close to Faure (in some ways), try the marvelous Requiem by Gounod (composed in1891 compared to 1893 of Faure). The very recent version of Corboz in the French label Mirare is wonderfully presented.

On the other side of the spectrum, Hyperion is preparing for August (I think) the quite significant Requiem of Richafort (1521). A fresh one to replace the very good older one with Paul Van Nevel, on HM.

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Mark, I was happy to see the Pizzetti up there (another work, and composer, for whom I've much time) and to be alerted to the Pizzetti thread - went to post something there, but was strangely stalled by the "inappropriate language" filter. I'm ashamed to say I don't know the Delius, and will seek it out.  Your PPS about the Fauré and Martin Requiems got me thinking, so I listened to them side by side.  I'd say Martin perhaps comes closest at the end of his Offertorium and the astonishing In paradisum.  Otherwise you can tell (inevitably) that he's working close to a century later - the writing is much sparer, more astringent and dissonant, and there is most certainly a Dies Irae, whose vocal lines are pretty angular (though not in any avant-garde fashion). This being Martin, however, there's great beauty in such economy. As, once again, M himself observes, the liturgical words are rarely repeated, which brings a sort of plainness, a quality of "statement," that appeals to me.  I hope I'll get to hear what you think when the recording comes in!

Thinking about other requiems, and sticking firmly to my own curious collection and what hasn't been mentioned yet ... two Germans from the late 1920s I like a lot.  Richard Wetz:  not a composer I'd know if CPO hadn't attended to him, but I'm very glad to know his Requiem, published I *think* in 1925/26. The melodies are long-limbed, quite chromatic but firmly tonal.  To place his sound a bit:  his symphonies get linked to Bruckner (a whole other story) and he wrote a book on Liszt, another figure important to him, but with the Requiem the closest analogy that hits me - far from a new one - is Franz Schmidt. The only recording I know is, predictably, on CPO.

The other is a slight stretch:  Pfitzner's "Das dunkle Reich" (The Dark Kingdom) from 1920 calls itself a "choral fantasy," but in a much-quoted letter Pfitzner also described it as "a sort of literary requiem" for his first wife.  Pfitzner looks to be an acquired taste, in this forum too - I simply have to admit that this is a bug by which I have long been well and truly bitten ... The work sets secular poetry, mostly by C.F. Meyer. It's resolutely bleak, with to my ears a conscious heavy-footedness (mostly in the brass writing) even in the penultimate section, a setting of a Meyer poem whose speaker prays for death by daylight rather than in darkness.  Brahms is in the background, Bruckner and Mahler in the grim choral "Schnitterlied."  There's beauty, and triumph too, though, even in the grittiness.  Hope this might sound inviting to non-Pfitznerians. Rolf Reuter has recorded the piece, again for CPO, but there's an older recording by Jochum.

Finally, it'd be criminal not to note the a cappella Requiem of Jón Leifs, not quite 5 min. long (!) and combining texts from Icelandic folk poetry (again, no Latin mass), written in memory of a daughter. Extraordinarily haunting, shaped around a desolate, sustained open fifth (Jón was apparently deeply engaged with Icelandic folk music, about which I know nothing).  The recording on BIS includes several other pieces by this composer, among them the massive and crazy orchestral/choral Hekla (a volcano in a bit over 10 minutes). I hope anyone who doesn't know these might want to give them a chance.

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der singende teufel wrote:

...Richard Wetz:  not a composer I'd know if CPO hadn't attended to him, but I'm very glad to know his Requiem, published I *think* in 1925/26...

Teufel, funny you mention the Wetz as I saw it yesterday online and had a thought to get hold of a copy. Unfortunately I am behind in my listening and really should not indulge in any new discs until I have given various odd purchases a listen.

As for Pfitzner I am trying but the bug bite right now is more mosquito itch than sweet venom...

Spurred by the topic I listened again to Schnittke's Requiem, which has some moments of great beauty. Rather like Pfitzner I continue with this composer as there are pieces of great skill amongst... well quite a lot of other stuff!

 

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By the way, give a shot to a newly released recording of the Requiem by Weinberg, with Fedoseyev, on Neos. It's quite impressive, definitely closer to Shstakovich's style rather than Schnittke's unusual and almost bizarre in orchestration (piano, celesta, electric guitars, a variety of strange percussions,etc.) work.

Incidentally, can we refer to the Kleines Requiem fur eine Polka by Gorecki. A small piece for Piano, released on Naxos.

Parla