Serial music you can relax to?

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Serial music you can relax to?

I was listening to Schoenberg's 3rd String Quartet today, and I have not appreciated before just how beautiful the slow second movement is. As it progresses it get more aggitated and angsty, but the first half of the movment is remarkably elegant and lyrical.

This got me thinking about serial/12 tone pieces that have moments that are calming/elegant ... are there any (aside form Berg's Violin Concerto)? I'd be interested to have a few pointers.

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Two other works of Berg come to mind (besides the violin concerto). The Lyric Suite (for string quartet) and the chamber concerto (for piano, violin and wind instruments), recently recorded most beautifully by Boulez with Uchida, Tetzlaff and Ensemble Intercontemporain. Elegant and sometimers calming. Superb music!

Chris

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You can't relax to any serial music, it is impossible and to state you can is just fooling yourself. Serial music is like abstraction in painting, it can be used to great effect in small parts but when it becomes the whole picture it is just a pointless mess. Of course you will find plenty of 'arty types' who will tell you how it will enrich your soul but they are either lying to you for profit or lying to you because they think it is funny. Serial music and abstract art are not funny and they are not clever. Anyone who tells you they are is just a naughty little boy.

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Despite I don't embrace Uber's tone and style, he is once more right as for the essence of the matter. There is no relaxation, in musical terms, in something that has no harmony (as it is defined in music) but only its own, the orchestration has its own rules, the rhythms are vague and incontrollable. A music of ganz und wahr angst!

However, the works Chris mentioned are some of the very best examples of this kind, if atonal, serial and the rest of this music can talk to you.

Parla

 

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parla wrote:

Despite I don't embrace Uber's tone and style,

Parla

 

That's because I'm Atonal and Serial in spirit. I just grate on people.

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I just find your remarks cheesy.

mjwal

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You say 'cheesy' as if there were only one type of cheese, cheese has a fantastic variety. You get almost 'art cheese' to cheese that has kept the rural working class alive through famine, to dutch cheese. Can you be more specific when you say 'cheesy'.

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Of course 'cultures' are very important in the production of cheese, I expect that was what he was refering to.

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Uber Alice wrote:
Of course 'cultures' are very important in the production of cheese, I expect that was what he was referring to.

It was of course a joke referring both to your term "grate" and the American slang expression meaning "tasteless, valueless etc".

To take the original question seriously: try Benjamin Frankel's Serenata Concertante, a delight from beginning to end. So is Schoenberg's Piano Concerto, actually. But great music of any kind heightens our sense of meaning and value at the same time as it relaxes our personal hangups and is not comparable to such as Perry Como, to take an example from my distant youth.

mjwal

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For some reason I always loved this concerto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvLDNoFf7Cc

There is also a live recording of this piece with Theo Bruins and Bernard Haitink on Qdisc

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Quite a bit of film music uses serialism, most notably classic horror films. Frankel, Searle and Lutyens come to mind.

Having sampled some of these, I can now listen quite happily to Searle or Frankel's symphonies. Not sure if I would regard it as relaxing though.

 

DSM

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Schoenberg famously said that somewhere in the future, schoolboys will whistle his tunes.

Don't see that happen soon, or ever, but I can't see why serial music would by definition be tense or angsty. I can call a dozen pieces by Schoenberg alone which are uplifting, happy in mood and harmonious. Just take what's arguably his masterpiece - Moses und Aron, which its fitting theme of the relationship between humanity, emotion and law, which can be seen as a metaphor for Schoenberg's music in general.

Sure, his works will never become elevator music, but I don't like to see ANY good music to be degraded to that level.

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I don't think it ("their" good music) is necessarily "degraded", but it can be easily disregarded.

Parla

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parla wrote:

I don't think it ("their" good music) is necessarily "degraded", but it can be easily disregarded.

Parla

That's just your opinion - and your loss, really.

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Well, it is not "just my opinion"; as you may see, 50m, a good majority of people involved in Classical Music choose this path of act.

As for the "loss", I don't think I loose anything now. I've had enough of "it" for a couple of decades (and a collection of their works detailed enough). So, disregarding "it" is not only an opinion; it's an option and definitely not a...loss.

Parla

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50milliarden wrote:

Schoenberg famously said that somewhere in the future, schoolboys will whistle his tunes.

However, he also said 'If it's art, its not for the people; if it's for the people, it's not art'...

Personally, I enjoy quite a bit of atonal/serial music like the Schoenberg violin concerto, Webern's later output, quite a bit of Messiaen's oeuvre...

The idea that one day, all music will sound like this has been pretty much left behind, and for good reason - we've all but said farewell to this modernistic, teleological view of history.

If anything, atonal music confirms the dominance of tonality. It is precisely because our inner ear expects certain resolutions of dissonances that the fact these don't come has such an impact on us. In other words: atonality only makes sense in a musical culture in which tonality is the standard. That's not to say we should dismiss or 'abandon' serialism. All we should abandon (and pretty much have abandonned) is the notion that it will ever be the new standard. A lot of beauty has been created using serial methods. Take it or leave it; if the latter, that is indeed your loss.

 

 

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