Symphony - A Travesty

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I have watched the first three episodes of the four part BBC series. My hopes were not high, having been disappointed by the similar BBC series on choral music some time ago, but any remaining hopes I did have were soon dashed.

1. Which idiot at the BBC decided that the appalling Simon Russell Beale was the appropriate person to guide us through this most fascinating of musical areas? I am aware that the BBC appears these days to be populated almost entirely by idiots but whichever one of their rapidly increasing number made this decision is a prize chump!

Beale [a man of moderate acting talents himself, who presumably feels that he needs three names to emphasise how important a chap he axtually is] was entirely the wrong person to present this series. He pops up at various places around the world, gurning into the camera at every opportunity and simpering sycophantically at everyone he meets. Seeing him riding a tram in Vienna or playing the piano with Sir Mark Elder  or admiring pictures of Dvorak's pigeons or [please fill in the blanks] does not enhance either my knowledge or appreciation of the symphonic tradition and form. Indeed he seems determined to appear in as many frames of the series as possible - even sitting at the back of the orchestra on occasion, nodding along to the music like the sort of toy dog we used to keep on the parcel shelf of our car when I was much younger. With a name like Beale, I presume he must be a fugitive from EastendersI can't imagine why anyone at the BBC would otherwise have employed him. He clearly has no insights of his own.

2. In a series about the symphony, why spend so much time on Wagner, who wasn't a symphonist at all, and Liszt [episode 2] who wrote only one symphony of any note. Even Beecham couldn't make the Faust symphony remotely interesting. And while a substantial amount of limited time was given over to these non-symphonists, only two minutes approximately was devoted to Tchaikovsky, one of the greatest symphonists of the 19th Century. And Mendelssohn wasn't even mentioned at all - when he wrote more great symphonies than Wagner and Liszt put together.

It is this kind of perverse approach that the BBC appears to favour these days in the interests of being 'challenging' or 'thought provoking', but which in reality arises either from ignorance or sloppy thinking.

Or perhaps it's simply further evidence of the Liszt/Wagner mafia in action.

3. Having devoted a measly couple of minutes to Tchaikovsky at the end of the programme and told us how deeply felt the Pathetique was and how searingly painful, the crass idiots who run the continuity department as usual intrude right across the closing credits and the glorious music by trailing the fact that we can listen to the symphonies on Radio 3, thus ruining the effect that the programme had presumably aimed carefully to provide. It seems to me that the BBC would be happiest these days simply running trailers without any actual programmes at all.

4. Redeeming features? Two only that I can think of - the playing of the various orchestras, which has been uniformly excellent. And the presence and insights of Sir Mark Elder, which really do lend the programme some much needed serious commentaries on the music. He is our greatest musical asset at the moment. Why didn't the BBC get him to present the series instead of the hopeless SRB?

I shall doubtless be watching the final part of the series next week in the hope that it won't involve sections on the 20th Century symphony and how it was shaped by the vital input of Alban Berg and Michael Jackson, but I am not hopeful.....  

  

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The one good thing about Simon Russell Beale - he's not Charles 'Interesting' Hazlewood.

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Well I'm enjoying it a lot.  It's not "Sacred Music", which I thought masterly, but it's doing a good, entertaining and informative job for what I assume is its target audience.   If it increases interest in great music, which I am sure it is doing, all to the good.

It's easy to scoff at things like selections of works, choice of visuals, etc, but to mock the presenter's name?  Come on spadger, what are you aiming for?  To fill the late "doctor's" shoes?   Your opinion of Simon Russell-Beale's acting abilities (with which I profoundly disagree) has nothing whatsoever to do with his function in these programmes.  As a narrator, for this viewer at least, he is an ideal choice.

As for him "clearly [having] no insights of his own", sounds like you are criticising him for not being as clever as you.

It's a television programme not a treatise.

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I agree Vic. I generally enjoyed it, but SRB's manner of delivery is rather sickly sweet and forced, and Elder's a complete old ham!

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I thought that it was aimed at those coming to classical music for the first time or for those with a passing interest in knowing more.

What's the problem, Spadger, did SRB cut you dead in a restaurant or take a role you were dying for? Such spleen!

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I think Vic is right, one has to remember this programme is not aimed at the regular Gramophone reader, but at a general audience and if it increases interest in serious music so much the better.

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1. Unless Beale gets a credit as director or producer, I'm pretty sure all those "noddy" shots you dislike were not his decision.

2. I gather this series is meant to document the development of the symphony, which does not mean a catalog of the symphonies you enjoy. Like it or not, Wagner and Liszt were both vital to the development of the symphony, by their contributions to orchestration, harmony and rhetoric. Liszt has rather been written out of musical history since his death, but in fact there's little in late Tchaikovsky that wasn't prefigured in Liszt's symphonic poems.

3. The documentary makers were not responsible for the voice-over on the end credits.

4. I assume Elder is too busy making music to get into the documentary business.

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Well, I seem to be in a minority of one here.

However, nothing I have read has changed my mind on the points I made.

Interesting to see the BBC in a series of programmes about the symphony including the anti-semitic Wagner [who, I think, wrote one youthful symphony - now almost completely forgotten] but writing the Jewish Mendelssohn-Bartholdy out of its history completely.

I accept the points about Wagner's influence on 19th Century music [and beyond] in general, which was enormous, but I cannot help feeling that his place in the history of the symphony [and that of Liszt] has been wildly overstated to the point of complete distortion.

However, I shall be watrching the final instalment of the series this week - if only so that I can shout loudly at the television again. It comes with age, I'm afraid.

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Were Schumann or Mendelssohn mentioned at all? 

Let's face it, to do 'The Symphony' justice then it needs to be a 12 part series. 

But I have enjoyed (and learned something by) it and more classical music on TV is a good thing huh?

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I agree with Atonal and others (especially Vic in his assessment of SRB's acting abilities). This series more more or less does what it says on the tin, and really wasn't designed to be an exhaustive analysis. I've enjoyed it and have learnt a few things.

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>The one good thing about Simon Russell Beale - he's not Charles 'Interesting' Hazlewood.<

Or even worse, the risble Trelawny shouting and bawling, that man's diction is so unfuriating he can ruin a programme in just a few words.

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I thought it wasn't a bad series of programmes and on the whole I enjoyed them.

My only criticism was of part four - too much Shostakovich. But then again, our concert halls have too much Shostakovich, when they can fit him in between all the Mahler!

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"Too much Shostakovich", cw? we should not forget that, arguably, Shostakovich was the greatest composer of the past century and a great symphonist, after all.

If we consider that his music is not that easily comprehensible, to indulge more on his work is not such a bad idea.

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parla wrote:
 "Too much Shostakovich", cw? we should not forget that, arguably, Shostakovich was the greatest composer of the past century and a great symphonist, after all. 

Well you're right, we could argue about that ... but life is far too short.

Actually it isn't that I don't like Shostakovich, (and I certainly wouldn't have excluded him from a documentary on The Symphony) I just feel that he is being somewhat over exposed in recent times, variety is the spice of life and all that.

The BBC programme seemed to wrap things up at the end of the Second World War and yet, for example, Vaughan Williams (arguably one of the great symphonists of the 20th century) published 2 of his best symphonies in the post war years (Nos 6 and 9).

But, rather than give more time to VW or the extra time they gave to Shostakovich, why didn't we hear  something about the symphonies that are still being written? The story of the Symphony did not end with Shostakovich, but one could be forgiven for thinking so from the BBC programme.

 

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I really hate to prolong this discussion, but, I'm afraid, to me (and not only), with Shostakovich the Symphony breathes its last, if not ends its course. I haven't heard anything after Him that can be viable and competitive.

As for VW, despite his immense musical importance, his Symphonies' impact was almost minimal outside UK and cannot match that of the Symphonies of the Great Dmitri.

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parla wrote:

 

As for VW, despite his immense musical importance, his Symphonies' impact was almost minimal outside UK and cannot match that of the Symphonies of the Great Dmitri.

Parla

 

Parla, what do you think about softening your pronouncements a little with the odd, "... in my opinion" or "... it seems to me" every now and again?   (Just a suggestion that might boost your popularity rating.)

Vic.