The "New Look" Gramophone

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When two issues ago I saw the new design and generally better quality articles, I felt that the de-intellectualization of Gramophone going on for the last few years (especially since 2004) had maybe been partly reversed and there was yet hope forjectr this once great magazine. (Take a look at early 2004 articles and see quality of journalism to today's snippets.)

Didnt I get a shock today when the new isse arrived today.

Proms "Hero" Pappano (why, he fought his way through the exits?)

Shorter and Shorter Reviews etc.. but most irritatingly - the continuing "crumpetization" of Grampophone reaches new heights.

It was bad enough when issue after issue we were subject to ever more revealing picture of tt blonde trumpeter, but now we have umpteen pages of that great journalist to rival Cardus - phoaaaarr never mind the vocabulary - feel my Stradivari ... one is taken back to the days of the very laid bacl Om Cmmpaapa Harnoy and her cello.

This is a real shame - I still am a subscriber as there are quasi bits worth reading but this magazine is now rivalling Classic FM for trivilialization of a great art.

 

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Thank you for your report. I'm always interested to read these, to see if Gramophone's worth going back to (as a purchaser). I see it isn't ready. Will they ever get it ready, for me?

It was during the late LP era that I enjoyed it most. The CD era ushered in more sin than substance. Prostituting wares.

To be fair, many businesses went that way. Things just kept getting more expensive, and you have to pay for them somehow, if you wish to stay in some semblance of the game.

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I have to laugh when I see complints like this. Niccola Bennedetti is undoubtedly easy on the eye. Terrible, terrible; naughty old Gramophone.

 

It's hardly cross-over is it ;)

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On the subject of the Gramophone and the LP, having totally been roped in by Karajan, Sony and Phillips into believing "all else is gas light", it is amazing to see the so-called "Hi-Fi" section in the magazine refuses to feature anything to do with LPs yet the recent issues has adverts for turntables everywhere.

I guess this is now an ego thing for Gramophone. Having been at the forefront of ditch the LP of "look at me - I am a 70 year old reviewer and I am hip with CDs" movement, now its best to ignore reality.

Its quite amazing how scathily critical Gramophone was of the LP and together with BBC's "Record Review" ... ooops CD Review (anyone remember how to used to gloat "There is NO LP") rushed to advise all to ditch the LP, yet when Linn decided to ditch the CD, the Low-Fi editor was the first, in that same issue to stick up for CD and write a column that Murdoch would have been proud of.

Ah well ... there's always IRR and ebay eh folks...

and oh .. the number of reviews keeps declining ... we are now trumpeting 140 reviews ... the magazine is aiming to be the low end of the Classic FM market.

 

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I haven't bought Gramophone since last year because I haven't been given a reason to do so, the declining number of reviews is the main reason, and also the lack of listing of comparative recordings. The Editor said recently they have shortened these lists to make space for more reviews pages. Judging by what contributors are saying here this is not the case. Here's my suggestion for what it's worth, bring back the lists of comparative recordings, increase the number of reviews pages, and delete at least 50% of the nonsense between the contents page and the reviews section. I also find this growing obsession with youth and physical attractiveness worrying. Although youthful vigour and confidence play a part in great musicians, equally wisdom and experience are important, if not more so, and I couldn't care less if the man or woman in question had the sex appeal of a smoked cod when choosing to buy a disc. I have always disliked LPs and CDs with photos of the artists on the cover. We would do well to remember Artur Schnabel when he said 'this music is better than it can be played'. The absurdity of modern marketing was exemplified to me when I found out they airbrushed out a cigarette in a photo of Maurizio Pollini, yes of course that's why we buy his discs because he doesn't smoke. Finally to echo the last contributor, anything about LPs would be very much appreciated.

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On the subject of obsession with youth, can any one really seriously believe the reviewers who sky rate anything bright, beautiful and chinese??

Are we seriously to believe that Bang Bang, Wangs and Lis of these earth actually before they are out of the cradle have not only mastered what took Arraus, Pollinis, Brendels a whole lifetime to master?? yes there are genuises - Menuhin at 16 etc, but this is very rare.

There are reviewers who will sky rate anything by any new marketed artist, only for these marketed entities to fade ... Kissin. Chang, Midori .... now add any of the new crumpetters and laid back cello players, or finger fiddlers

I am surprised that Brendel, Abbado etc still bestowing magic magazine status.

As to the contribution above that that magazine is populated with rubbish articles, I dont care for 99.9% of the celebrity reviewers bunging up page after page with egoistic non sense.

The Proms season this year is a load of rubbish and the new controller of Radio 3 has all to do with this (another down-marketeer) yet no one has the guts to say this and the Proms review is all back slapping...

ah well if we moan enough, the editor may listen ... i doubt it ...

 

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noorjivraj wrote:

I dont care for 99.9% of the celebrity reviewers bunging up page after page with egoistic non sense.

 

LOL

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noorjivraj wrote:
On the subject of the Gramophone and the LP, having totally been roped in by Karajan, Sony and Phillips into believing "all else is gas light", it is amazing to see the so-called "Hi-Fi" section in the magazine refuses to feature anything to do with LPs yet the recent issues has adverts for turntables everywhere.

Thank you for your constructive criticisms: the section is actually called High Fidelity, and far from refusing to having anything to do with LPs has reviewed turntables in the relatively recent past, and not so long ago ran a piece on getting the most from one's LP collection.

noorjivraj wrote:
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guess this is now an ego thing for Gramophone. Having been at the
forefront of ditch the LP of "look at me - I am a 70 year old reviewer
and I am hip with CDs" movement, now its best to ignore reality.

And what is that reality? Apart from a few releases on the odd specialist or audiophile label – such as the Linn Messiah, which was covered and lauded in the audio pages – how many new classical LPs are released each month?

noorjivraj wrote:
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quite amazing how scathily critical Gramophone was of the LP and
together with BBC's "Record Review" ... ooops CD Review (anyone
remember how to used to gloat "There is NO LP") rushed to advise all to
ditch the LP

I'm sorry, but all that rather pre-dates my tenure in charge of the audio pages.

noorjivraj wrote:
yet when Linn decided to ditch the CD, the Low-Fi editor
was the first, in that same issue to stick up for CD and write a column
that Murdoch would have been proud of.

We don't actually have 'a Low-Fi editor': my job title is Audio Editor, so you'll have to make do with my reply.

I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make here: Linn was talking about stopping the manufacture of CD players in order to promote its streaming and network-stored music player, not its turntables, a move I felt was being widely misinterpreted as suggesting that the age of the CD was over.

Far from it: even senior Linn people said they would still buy CDs, but rip them to storage for playback.

To suggest that my column on the subject was somehow pro-CD and anti-LP is to put on it just the kind of spin you suggest was at the heart of my comment – or at least I think that's what your clichéd reference to Mr Murdoch is supposed to convey.

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Ah well ... there's always IRR and ebay eh folks...

Interesting bit of linkage there...

noorjivraj wrote:
and
oh .. the number of reviews keeps declining ... we are now trumpeting
140 reviews ... the magazine is aiming to be the low end of the Classic
FM market.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion – however wrong it may be...

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Having read Mr. Everards contribution I do wonder why some people criticise Gramophone, and what they really want to say. When I criticise Gramophone I don't do it from a position of malice, I do it as someone who admires greatly the legacy of the magazine, and who will always be grateful for what it has given me. It's for this reason that with sadness I see changes happening that I suppose are inevitable for its survival in the current marketplace. If my criticisms seem to come from a more vindictive standpoint I apologise, and it's for this reason that I don't understand or like people writing just to have a go. If you really don't like the magazine or have nothing positive to say, why write at all? Why not just forget about the magazine?

For example, I don't understand what The Proms has got to do with a magazine about recorded music, but to say that this season is a load of rubbish, as well as being insulting is a sweeping generalisation that can't possibly be true. Whatever The Proms is it is eclectic, and there is always something for everyone. Generalisations will never win an intelligent argument, Wagner's generalisations prove that he was an incredibly idiotic man. Also if you are going to talk about people at least pay them the courtesy of getting their names correct. Every musician no matter where they are from is an individual that brings their personal emotions and experiences to a performance of a work. To suggest that this is not the case because they are young and Chinese is unfounded and worse simply racist.

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The speed of the response is appreciated, but the defensive and the high moral ground position reflects the postion the magazine currently takes to any criticisms. Why bother with surveys etc from readers when the editorial team, under pressure from Haymarket no doubt, continue to take the magazine from one low to the next?

At least Robert Layton and Co quit on priciple grounds. It saddens me that reviewers like Richard Osborne, Bryce Morrison and John Warrack still tolerate their columns whittled down, accept the tablets from Mt Sinai saying no comparatives etc.. one only has to read their journalism from 30 years ago tofeel saddenned by their current versions of "crticism lighhhougt" - calorie and thought free much as today's new Bruckner, Mahler and Beethoven approaches by the new improved Ilkley Mountaihn Goats Orchestra conducted by the schlolarly "Gimme-some-of-that-Turkish-rhythms-man" Sir Nick-knows-the-Weg.

Okay now lets take on the LP issue. The facts are that the vinyl revival has taken hold in all streams of music except classical and there ard reasons for this. Analoque ,recording is the reason why turntable owners will pay zillions for equipment and for albums on ebay. The classical recording industry was duped at the onset of of digital revolution and contnues blindly to accept any new format and fade. Hence my calling the Low-Fi column. It is full of mass marketed so called class electronics and gadgets whilst almost totally ignoring the actual quality equipment.

The pages remain full of stuff from Teac, Marantz, Sony etc - Richer Sounds boxed stuff.

One should take a look at a look at Fono Forum (Germany) and Le Monde Musique to see how quality classical criticism survives and thrives.

Once you head towards the Classic FM gutter, its Andre Eueeew all the way !!!

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noorjivraj wrote:

At least Robert Layton and Co quit on priciple grounds.

I must have missed this story! Can you elaborate please?

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noorjivraj wrote:
The speed of the response is appreciated, but the
defensive and the high moral ground position reflects the postion the
magazine currently takes to any criticisms.

You made an abusive, accusatory and insulting series of posts, and you continue to insult other forum members who dare challenge you, so I merely replied in the same spirit. Sorry, but I really don't do the "your most 'umble servant" thing.

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The classical recording industry was duped at the onset of of digital revolution and contnues blindly to accept any new format and fade.

Yes, it's totally ignored SACD, high-resolution downloads...

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Hence my calling the Low-Fi column. It is full of mass marketed so called class electronics and gadgets whilst almost totally ignoring the actual quality equipment.

As I said, you're entitled to your opinion, even when it's blinkered, ill-informed and just plain wrong. Of course, I could fill the pages with equipment with five-figure price-tags, or only available on secondhand auction sites, but to do so would alienate most of the readership.

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The pages remain full of stuff from Teac, Marantz, Sony etc !

...Linn, Naim, Quad, Monitor Audio,...

noorjivraj wrote:
Once you head towards the Classic FM gutter, its Andre Eueeew all the way !!!

I have no idea what the second half of the sentence means, and the first half, with its criticism of a radio station from which many listeners derive a lot of pleasure, is just snobbish elitism.

Rather as you'd have the audio pages filled with equipment only available to a wealthy, fanatical few, able to spend 'zillions' on turntables and used records, perhaps that's how you'd prefer music to be. After all, let the riffraff in and where will we be then?

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Dear noorjivraj 

I strongly suspect you would get a far more receptive and constructive response from people - other forum users and Gramophone staff alike - if the tone of your comments were less openly contemptuous and discourteous.

Whilst it is true that the tone of a comment has no actual effect on its truth, it will inevitably have an effect on the way in which people perceive the motives of the person making that comment, and on people's willingness to either engage with them, or to read anything further from them.

Make your points passionately, by all means - but if you're mocking and derisive you are unlikely to make them persuasively.

Just a thought.

 

 

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Oh, enough with the lectures. Gramophone deserves even harsher language for what it's become, and after reading the replies of that editor (who needs a good woodshedding with that display of arrogance), I see little hope for the magazine's return to respectability.

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noorjivraj wrote:

 

Okay now lets take on the LP issue. The facts are that the vinyl revival has taken hold in all streams of music except classical and there ard reasons for this. Analoque ,recording is the reason why turntable owners will pay zillions for equipment and for albums on ebay.

The reasons I hear, and this comes from the people who are snapping up this stuff from ebay and elsewhere, is that it started with djs using techniques like "scratching" and has now become a fad amongst the younger generation, paradoxically the same generation that loves MP3. I've had this discussion at length with my son and his friends. With them, even though I still play vinyl and support it as you'll see from my posts elsewhere, I always take the devil's advocate stance for cd. They've never lived through the lp era, have absolutely no experience of the disadvantages of the medium and its technology and it takes no time to smoke out the real reasons they support it: those dj guys with their 3 turntables and their 'scratching' techniques are the coolest things on two legs.

Give it a few years and all those turntables will be back on ebay at 1/10th the price they were bought. 

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Vaneyes wrote:
Oh, enough with the lectures. Gramophone deserves even harsher language for what it's become, and after reading the replies of that editor (who needs a good woodshedding with that display of arrogance), I see little hope for the magazine's return to respectability.

Sorry? Arrogance? Oh, you mean we're just meant to take abuse and not react? I see...

And I'm afraid what you get up to in your woodshed is of questionable interest.

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