The "New Look" Gramophone
I may have used strong language to express my views but to deem it as abuse and threaten a subscriber of more than 30 years with the Gramophone commandments exactly confirms the culture at the magazine today.
I will continue subscribing - why - examples - in the last few months largely through Rob Cowans columns (they may be a little Radio-3 CD Review-ish, but the contribution to my music education is in no doubt) I have come to learn of great Russian pianists such as Yudina, Neuhaus, Igumunow, Goldenweiser etc and through ebay managed to purchase the Melodiya and Eurodisc LPs - these artists, so as to speak, had more talent in their index fingers than ...uh oh here I go again.t
I still read the Gramophone Collection columns but the reviews are getting shorter, and more and more recite trends that companies and their marketeers come up with.- Bruckner Lite, the next finest Fijian orchestra this side of the Pennines, "authenticity" as a solution for lack of truly unique perspective and interpretation.
But the saddest part is page after page of colour piccies GQ style (did I hear the editor say they were short of space??), pushing of artists fresh out of their schools as the next sliced bread, the obvious capitalization of sexual appeal, and the page after page of celebrity dross. Who cares if such and such listens to Andre Eeeuw's greatest tricks/hits when in the bath?
So Mr Editor - your magazine still has a place for life enhancement and musical education, sadly one has to sort through a heck of a lot of chaffe, and its getting worse.
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Opinion did I hear?? Its pure hearsay - or is it heresy?? So should I state that I hear that BP oil leak is just a conspiracy by the Obama Govt against Sarah Palin .. is that an opinion??
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...And for that reason – I'm out.
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Noorjirav, you're either a wind-up artist or you've got some serious psychological issues. Everything you say is a fact, everything anybody else says is an opinion, yet you offer no support for your views. This is my first, and last engagement with you because frankly, you're not worth it and I'm sure other forum members are as tired of your drivelling as I am. What could have been an interesting topic has become a platform for your rather disturbing rants.
Andrew, I have to agree with Spider Jon. These cyber warriors are an unfortunate fact of life on the internet. People who would never take on a face to face debate for fear of having to retrieve pieces of their dentures off the floor, will run riot from the safety of a keyboard and not having any kind of life, have all the time in the world to do so. It's absolutely your call, but if you let this forum to sink to the level of a primary school playground there'll be nobody in it but kids. I'm not lecturing you, man, I've just seen it happen on so many forums.
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Tagalie, thanks for your comments – very aware of the problems as my 'day job' is on a considerably larger forum community where I'm afraid our friend Noorjirav would have been nipped in the bud long before now.
Undemocratic? Probably. Tempting Godwin's Law? Almost certainly. But the sensible approach seems to be 'if you were to come into my house and start throwing your weight around and shouting at me, what would I do?'
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In the hope that we can get this thread back on track, I'd like to return to a point addressed, pro and con, by dubrob and av106: is there too much sex in the marketing of classical music today and has the new Gramophone fallen prey?
We all know sex sells, and has for centuries. It isn't new in classical music - I have a 1972 vinyl of the Previn/Walton Belshazzar's Feast whose cover would get your heart started - and it isn't new in the Gramophone. Too bad I had to junk all my old Gramophones for lack of space. I recall an ad., in the '80s I think, that included a particularly memorable photo of Carol Vaness. Has it gone overboard? I wouldn't say so. There's far risque-er (is there such a word?) stuff on the opera stage and that isn't new either. The Flower Maidens in the 1962 Bayreuth Parsifal were a pretty immodest bunch even by today's standards.
But really, are us grown men taken in by all this? I hope not. Netrebko may look great in her recent Boheme dvd, surgical enhancements and all, but that doesn't blind me to the serious shortcomings of the performance. On the other hand Ciofi can look anything but attractive when she sings but what a voice, what an actress!
No, there's nothing wrong with pics of attractive women as far as I'm concerned. Even so I'm with dubrob when it comes to photos of the artist on cd covers. They aren't my preference and regardless of the physical attributes of the performer, it's the performance I'm buying. Honestly!
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Please gentlemen, please. Let's have no more spats. I would like to think we have more in common in our love of classical music, recorded or otherwise on media we prefer than to slag each other off unnecessarily. If one doesn't like Gramophone don't buy it, simple as. Where it is found wanting, by all means make suggestions and if it bothers you so much why not apply to work for Haymarket and see if you can do better?
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If one doesn't like Gramophone don't buy it, simple as. Where it is found wanting, by all means make suggestions and if it bothers you so much why not apply to work for Haymarket and see if you can do better?
Point One is ongoing, as previously reported.
Point Two. Nothing would please me more than to charge these dullards for my sales and marketing expertise. No freebies.
Point Three. I thought we were friends! LOL
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Well, no doubt there is some kind of market for a publication centering on historical recordings, LPs etc. But, I would suggest, not a very big one, and probably not enough to sustain a print magazine. Perhaps our friend should show the "dullards" by setting up a website?
As for Grampohone - I wonder if any of us understand the pressures it must face. I remain delighted that it is published at all, quite frankly! With the recorded music industry sliding slowly off a cliff, and classical not exactly a universally acquired taste, it would be quite easy to see a time when the Grampohone was simply, no more.
There is a difference between marketing and content, and in any event to write Bennedetti off as "sex sells" would do her a great injustice; I saw her in a recital at our local church a year ago, and she was a very fine musicican, playing demanding and decidedly not "popular" classics.
Whether she is quite the figure to command respect as a Guest Editor can of course be debated.
Generally however I think the non-review content of the magazine to have improved recently, it is certainly far better than BBCMusic Magazine, which I find to be paper thin.
Now, the reviews. I do agree that these could be longer, and more, and should feature comparative recordings - some do, but I would like to see more.
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There is a difference between marketing and content, and in any event to write Bennedetti off as "sex sells" would do her a great injustice; I saw her in a recital at our local church a year ago, and she was a very fine musicican, playing demanding and decidedly not "popular" classics.
I hope you didn't think I was writing off Bennedetti or any other classical musician for that matter. If you did, my post has sadly missed its mark. The points I was trying to make were:
1. "Sex sells" is an axiom in the advertising business. Marketers apply it to classical music in the same way as any product or service they're selling. And have done for eons. It is not a new phenomenon in the Gramophone or anywhere else.
2. I believe we, the classical music buying public, male or female, are mature enough to distinguish between form and content. After we've agreed that so-and-so looks nice, our focus turns to his or her performance and that's the way we choose who we like and who we don't.
So I believe that it's rather pointless to get upset over photos of attractive-looking musicians. If they look good and they want to promote themselves, surely they're going to project themselves to their best, not worst, advantage. But in the end its their talent that's going to make or break them.
Having said all that, I don't think there is any doubt that in the world of opera there is increasing emphasis on a singing artist's appearance and ability to act. As my wife says, and I can't disagree, it's too bad that emphasis is being applied mainly to the ladies at this point.
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The point is that Gramophone, a so-called flag bearer of the mature and discerning classical listener is blatantly pushing is crumpetization.
I have no issue if its an EMI advert, I can laugh it off as a desperate attempt by Mr Sands crew to gather sales.
But to have this institution, no less, do this issue after issue, culminating in 5 pages of Bennedetti, who is no more than an averagely good musician, is really what got me started.
Note the provocative pictures of young artists holding trumpets and cellos?
Is this the world's greatest classical review magazine's future?
Even the reviewers are now showing muscles!! Well Jolly good show folks!
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Only a lunatic could criticise anyone for being born physically attractive and or musically talented. The problem, and the worry I have, is in the presentation of these artists, when the former supersedes the latter. This is to the detriment of classical music in general and more importantly to the artists in question in particular.
How much time is spent in make up and doing photo shoots that could be spent in study, practice, rehearsal and recording? There's nothing new in this, as Tagalie rightly says, I just feel that it has increased lately. Maybe the women we are talking about are perfectly and maturely accepting of this, but I wonder. It must be infuriating to be having to constantly prove that your talent is equal and superior to your public image, or to be answering questions about your dress rather than your recording plans, especially when your male counterparts don't have to do the same.
We all know sex sells, but does it really sell classical music? I can't believe that anyone would buy a CD of Bach Violin Concertos just because Julia Fischer is a stunningly beautiful young lady. No doubt the people in marketing who know a lot more about these things than I do would strongly disagree. A DVD with its obvious visual element I am more inclined to believe.
All I would say is that people in the forefront of the presentation of classical music such as Gramophone have to be careful in this balancing act, and always let their ears be the boss of their eyes, and bear in mind what Compton MacKenzie would make of it all.
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I am constantly surprised by what works in marketing - things I seriously can't believe people would be 'taken in by' seem to reap demonstrable results.
It does seem unlikely that anyone would buy a CD of Bach Violin Concertos just because Julia Fischer looks very attractive on the cover and I am sure a lot of people don't - they buy it because she plays them outstandingly well, something they will know from having heard it played on the radio, or because a review (or a number of reviews) are very positive, or because they've heard something else by Fischer and reckon it's likely to be as good, etc.
But if someone who doesn't know much about music is browsing for a recording of Bach's violin concertos, or just a recording of something by Bach, then faced with multiple ones in a rack or on a webpage, one with a cover that features the beautiful Fräulein Fischer may be a more attractive buy than one featuring a portrait of Bach or a picture of an angel scraping a violin.
There are only two quote I know of by Compton MacKenzie - the first seems only slightly more relevant than the second:
"Women do not find it difficult nowadays to behave like
men, but they often find it extremely difficult to behave like
gentlemen."
"Love makes the world go round? Not at all. Whiskey makes it go round twice as fast."
"Louder! Louder! I can still hear the singers!"
- Richard Strauss to the orchestra, at a rehearsal.
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Thanks for the quotes Spiderjon, very funny. By the way are you familiar with what Zappa said about rock journalism?
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tagalie is as entitled to state his opinion as you are, noorjivraj.
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