The objectivity of Bryce Morrison (chuckle!)

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In mr. Morrisons review of Alfred Brendels Liszt reissue in the January 2012 issue he ends with some - quite irrelevant - remarks on how Earl Wild describes Mr. Brendel in his rambling, but quite funny and wicked brick of an autobiography. While I agree with mr. Morrison that Brendel is not "a musician with a severe limitation" (as stated by Earl Wild), I was a the same time wondering whether the caustic remark about the autobiography could in any way be related to mr. Wilds mention of mr. Morrisons apparent preponderance for dying his hair ("old Dye-job" - page 94)? Or could it perhaps be mr. Wilds reference to mr. Morrison as an "ardent Joyce Hatto devotee" (also on page 94)? In any case, quite a revealing review!

 

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RE: The objectivity of Bryce Morrison (chuckle!)

Earl Wild was an American cocktail lounge pianist, why should anyone care what he thought.

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Gottfried Houven wrote:

Earl Wild was an American cocktail lounge pianist, why should anyone care what he thought.

An American cocktail lounge pianist quoted on the Gramophone Forum!  Whatever next?

On reflection, I suppose no-one should any more care what he thought than what you think.

Vic.

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Victor - Everytime I read one of your comments on these forum pages you are desperately trying to provoke a fight with somebody. Then a few posts later you are telling everyone to stop fighting and to address the issues of the original post. You do seem to be a rather self important character. If you have nothing to say - Don't speak.

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The least one can say about Earl Wild is that he was a great virtuoso in his (very long) time. For some, he was a kind of master virtuoso. If we judge by his amazingly difficult and musically demanding transcriptions (lately, Chandos has issued a very interesting CD on his elaborated transcriptions of Gewrshwin works), he was a sort of composer of some serious consideration too.

So, for a "coctail lounge pianist", he was more than...qualified. Perhaps, the difference is that he was an American coctail lounge pianist...

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parla wrote:

So, for a "coctail lounge pianist", he was more than...qualified.

I'll say! If the cocktail lounge tinklers in America are of a similar ilk and technical competence, I'll be drinking a lot of cocktails when I'm over there.

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I can't imagine many cocktail lounge pianists, American or otherwise, trotting out Thalberg's Don Pasquale Fantasy or Herz's variations on a theme from
Rossini's La Cenerentola.

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Very well spotted, 33lp!

Besides, we should not neglect what an exponent he was of some of the most difficult and majestic works of Liszt plus with some impressive Rachmaninov, Chopin, Medtner and many more. (In the end, this thread will be called "Earl Wild").

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Gottfried Houven wrote:

Victor - Everytime I read one of your comments on these forum pages you are desperately trying to provoke a fight with somebody. Then a few posts later you are telling everyone to stop fighting and to address the issues of the original post. You do seem to be a rather self important character. If you have nothing to say - Don't speak.

You know, Gottried, there may be more than a grain of true in what you write.  I suppose it was a rather sharp response of mine to your statement, "who cares what he thinks?"  (Was that because he  was American, or what he played, or where he played it, by the way?)

So if you are not the reincarnation of "Dr Brodsky", who has had to change his name four times after being banned for grossly offensive, vitriolic and hate-filled comments about others - I apologise.

Vic.

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RE: The objectivity of Bryce Morrison (chuckle!)

Reading this forum I've noticed that things seem to get very heated and occasionaly blindly argumentative very quickly. I would, however, quite like to further open up the debate over the playing ability of cocktail bar pianists.

Is it the fact that they play in cocktail bars that makes them apparently so technichally inferior to musicians who play elsewhere? Or, conversely, is it the fact that they are so bad that makes them appealing to hire in the eyes of cocktail bar owners?

Obviously I am being facetious - that seems to be the style of the forum - but it is such a disgustingly elitist attitude to dismiss someone as an inferior pianist just because of the venue or style of music that they play.

Earl Wild was a fantastic virtuoso pianist and I for one, am very interested in what his opinion!

RIP E. Wild

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...but it is such a disgustingly elitist attitude to dismiss someone as an inferior pianist just because of the venue or style of music that they play. IP E. Wild

I think you've put your finger on it - the attitudes of a number of people on this forum who look down upon any type of music other than classical are based entirely on snobbery, elitism and self-importance.

As Parla (our resident philistine) demonstrates, the harder they argue that there is a logical or objective basis for their snobbery, the more blatantly obvious they demonstrate the precise opposite.

 

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Here we are again! "Facetious", "disgustingly elitist", "resident philistine" and some more blatant ones to fill the...clamour.

Anyway, I promised to refrain...So, I leave it to you Vic or anyone else who might be interested...

Good luck,

Parla

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RE: The objectivity of Bryce Morrison (chuckle!)

I'm afraid you're wide of the mark this time, CraigM. Although I frequently disagree with Parla, whatever else he is, he is no Philistine.

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BarTok wrote:
Reading this forum I've noticed that things seem to get very heated and occasionaly blindly argumentative very quickly

Welcome BarTok let's hope you'll stick around and cool our argumentative tone by posting some pithy enlightening posts.

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While we are welcoming the new member of this forum, I can hardly see he's trying to "cool" any argumentative tone. In his very first post, he looks he has no reservation to be "facetious", he has no problem whatsoever to be judgemental (remember, Atonal, your suggestion to me in another thread, recently) and his rather concise verbose is fraught with verbal abuse (I don't have to repeat the respective vocabulary).

Immediately, he ignited the relevant responses of some members, so far at a manageable level.

Hoping that our new friend is going to honour the two great Masters his pseudonym and the picture below project, I wish him all the best.

And, by the way, I have a great appreciation of coctail business lounge pianists (particularly the american ones), after I saw the film "1900". The problem is that, very rarely, anyone expects or request them to play what they are actually capable of performing. Unfortunately, as in the case of "1900", they are destined to be always "unsung heroes".

Parla

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parla wrote:

Here we are again! "Facetious", "disgustingly elitist", "resident philistine" and some more blatant ones to fill the...clamour.

Anyway, I promised to refrain...So, I leave it to you Vic or anyone else who might be interested...

Good luck,

Parla

Hmmm... a tricky one this Parla!

While our recent entente cordiale  makes me disinclined to endorse the form of expression CraigM uses above, you know that I fully support the substance of his claim against an objective or logical basis for the evaluation of music.

However, your "promise to refrain" did not include the pursuit of an argument, just the manner of it.   You can hardly be surprised if that manner attracts some sharp criticism and language born of frustration, or even exasperation.

But, hey ho! That's the rough and tumble of debate in the salons of high-brow art!   Take it on the chin and defend your corner!

Best wishes,

Vic.