Vocalise
Fri, Dec 2 2011, 11:06PM
Is anything more annoying in 'classical' music than VOCALISING. Ravel. Vaughan Willaims, Villa Lobos... well everyone who's ever used it. I can't think of one example that sounds good. It sounds weird, it's embarrassing. It's like tree hugging or body painting. Scat singing in Jazz is pretty stupid, but that's jazz, you expect it, it fits in there.
Sun, Dec 4 2011, 8:07AM
#2
RE: Vocalise
You may have not to exaggerate, Magnus.
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Give some further go; there are some rewards, anyway.
Parla
Impressive range of knowledge, but perhaps a little proof-reading might be in order in the rush to hector and lecture.
Vic.
Sun, Dec 4 2011, 4:26PM
#3
RE: Vocalise
What kind of "proof-reading" do you need, Vic? Some references for your further reading, studying and verifying if my knowledge does not fall in the "hector" but in the "lecture" category?
This is just a mere internet forum; we cannot perform neither as the former nor as the latter.
Parla
Sun, Dec 4 2011, 5:50PM
#4
RE: Vocalise
Yes you are getting a bit petty in your old age Vic. However if you and Parla want to continue the fight on this thread I suggest you do it in the style of a Vocalise.
Sun, Dec 4 2011, 11:00PM
#5
RE: Vocalise
I'm "ready" for the "challenge", but I can go up to high G flat (in extreme cases, even high G). Vic may be able to reach a B flat too. So, he will become the "hector".
Parla
You may have not to exaggerate, Magnus.
Vocalising exists in different forms from the very start of the Music: in early to late Baroque exists in the form of ornamentation in Opera and sometimes in Oratorio and Cantatas; in Classical period appears in some Operas of Haydn and Mozart but in perfectly music form; in Romantic period, it thrives mostly in Italian and French Operas (particularly in some "mad scenes" which, however, serve as a vehicle for the singer to prove her vocal prowess); later, it appears as a sort of vocal exercise as pure, absolute music, where the voice is used as an instrument. The best, though totally neglected forgotten and underrated (to use the title from a recent thread), example is the impressive Concerto for Coloratura Soprano and Orchestra by the also neglected, forgotten and underrated russian composer named Gliere. There is an amazing performance by Joan Sutherland from the sixties (I think you can find it only in some big boxes of her recordings; recently, Decca issued all her studio recitals in 23 CDs!).
By the way, Ravel's and Villa-Lobos, at least are very pure and inventive music; Rachmaninov and VW's much less, but still they can work well.
Give some further go; there are some rewards, anyway.
Parla