What makes a successful opera libretto?

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Many operas survive despite appalling librettos.  Few would claim that many Handel operas are enjoyed because of their great libretti. On the other hand we often read that operas by Schubert, Haydn and Weber failed because of their unsatisfactory librettos.

 

So what makes the perfect libretto, one that contributes substantially to the success of an opera.

One might suppose that the composer, if he has any literary ability, might make his own ideal librettist.  Wagner certainly believed that, rather superbly, to the extent that (like them or not) it is hard to imagine how any one else could have furnished him with the texts he needed to create his masterpieces.  Michael Tippett believed it too, rather less successfully. For many listeners his libretti are an insuperable barrier to enjoyment of his operas.

Are great plays and novels good starting points for libretti? Well, surely both of Boito’s libretti for Verdi (Otello, Falstaff) are surely masterly examples that can only have helped Verdi to achieve some of his greatest music.  Boito’s libretto from Goethe’s Faust is also superb but he was not quite up to delivering the opera (Mefistofele) his libretto deserved. Schiller’s Don Carlos served Verdi pretty well too, though I suppose one could argue that even a dreadful libretto like that for Trovatore hardly put him off his stride.

Da Ponte’s libretti for Mozart seem to have brought out the greatest in him, but who, reading Schikaneder's libretto for Die Zauberflöte could possibly have imagined the wonder that Mozart would make out of it.

What if Handel had had some really fine libretti to work with?

And ultimately, are the weak libretti really to blame for the (comparative) failure of operas by, say,  Haydn, Schubert and Weber, or would these composers have failed even with perfect texts.

Perhaps this provides some food for thought?

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Since it is too late here (in Far East), I'll send you my more detailed response tomorrow. However, allow me some first thoughts/questions:

- Will the otherwise "successful" libretti of Da Ponte be considered as such in the hands of a second rate composer?

- Can anyone be interested to attend a performance of a play based on a libretto, without the music of the composer of the relevant opera? (Can anyone be interested to attend a performance of the Ring or the Tristan, without the music of Wagner?).

- If the libretto is only a means, a vehicle, a tool - a very important one - of the opera, can it be considered as "successful" only per se or its success is "affected" by the music of the composer too?

So, let's see...

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Yes indeed Parla, these are some of the questions I was thinking of (amongst others).  Tomorrow!

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Chris

A weighty post!

It might be worth thinking about the difference between opera as something we listen to (at home, usually) and something we watch in a theatrical production. Does a bad libretto really make that much difference when we are listening at home? Scenes that drag on the stage may pass a little more quickly when you are lying on the sofa nursing a large brandy......(Though my experience, limited as it is, is that a bad libretto comes through even at home.) 

Also, when you refer to the poor Handel libretti etc, is it possible that you are referring more to the standard opera seria conventions of the day, which seem stilted and dull to most of us, rather than to the intrinsic quality of individual libretti? 

 

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Wot no Strauss/Hofmannsthal?

A good libretto gives an opera a flying start but if a bad one killed it the repertory would be cut by 75%. I tend to agree with Jane that it's the form of Handel's operas that hamper them rather than the libretti themselves. Capable producers have done much with his works - McVicar in Giulio Cesare, Villegier in Rodelinda, Sellars in Theodora, making nonsense of the traditional idea that Handel's stage pieces are a 3-hour exercise in staying awake.

Mainstream Italian opera is full of goofy libretti. The music and singing hold us in spite of derelict staging (e.g. the Met/Netrebko Puritani) but there's no doubt that imaginative production can turn a two dimensional experience into full-on musical theatre. There was a recent discussion on this forum re. I Vespri Siciliani. A weak libretto, certainly - Verdi himself disliked it and it has languished on the fringes of the repertory - but I'm convinced a well-crafted stage production can re-captivate audiences. You mentioned Tippett, Chris, and I agree. Poor text mars not only his operas. The word-setting in Symphony 3 is cringeworthy. Not having seen any of his works on stage I can't offer an opinion as to whether they're rescueable.

Britten is an interesting case. On paper, I find only the text of Grimes convincing but I'm convinced that all his operas can 'work' on stage if the production manages to shake that sort of small-town repertory feeling that haunts them. The Fenice production of Death in Venice succeeded wonderfully.

And then there's Wagner. Great stories, variable and sometimes odd text. The libretti on their own don't withstand close scrutiny but the concepts, the ideas, the music carry the day and all his mature works can be superb experiences on stage.

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Thanks Parla, Jane and Tagalie.

Parla, even though you were the first to respond, since you said you will send more I'll reply to Jane and Tagalie first.

Jane, you wrote:

"It might be worth thinking about the difference between opera as something we listen to (at home, usually) and something we watch in a theatrical production."

I agree: indeed there is a difference. For me though I think if anything it is the opposite of what you tentatively suggest.  At home, with the libretto in my hand and no stage business to watch (I rarely watch opera on DVD), I am immersed much more in the libretto than in the opera house.  On the other hand a great stage director can do a lot to overcome the problems of a poor libretto (Tagalie, I'll come back to this) but even more to maximise the complementarity between great music and a fine libretto. Think of Zefirelli and Verdi's Falstaff, Peter Stein and Pelleas und Melisande, Chereau with the Ring, Lulu, The House of the Dead (now there's an unlikely libretto!), Ponelle with Figaro.

I suppose you're right Jane about the Handel operas' generic dependence on the opera seria conventions of the day, but even within those conventions there are better and worse examples of libretti, and Handel's seem to me to be amongst the latter.  I've never quite understood though why Metastasio was so highly regarded by composers. And the constant stream of recit, aria, recit, aria: who chose this format, the convention, the librettist, the composer. Gluck and Mozart (Idomeneo but not Clemenza di Tito) managed to break the mould, but Handel, I think he was too lazy? 

As well as the opera seria convention there is this peculiar obsession (starting as early as Cavalli) with pseudo-Greek mythology, where usually little more than the names of the characters has anything to do with the original myths or plays. Is this part of the Opera Seria convention.

Of course, those myths and plays have themselves been a rich source for operas, from Monteverdi to Richard Strauss. So on that cue, next post for Tagalie coming up soon (I'm assuming he'll still be sleeping for a little while).

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You're right Tagalie, I should have included Strauss / Hoffmannsthal.  In my book, that collaboration, along with Da Ponte / Mozart and Boito / Verdi represent thre three greatest collaborations between librettist and composer in the history of opera.  Perhaps Monteverdi's librettists, Busenello and Badoaro should come into the picture too, but opera was such a different animal then that comparisons are difficult.

Turning your Handel opera argument slightly on its head, I would sort-of-agree that only with brilliant, entertaining stage direction do his operas come alive for me, despite Handel's unrivalled gift for melody. I do wonder though whether anyone would seriously notice if the plots of his operas were mixed up at random. As you see I'm not a great fan of Handel's operas!

Britten is indeed an interesting case. Besides Grimes, the libretto for The Turn of the Screw strikes me as just what is needed, or more particularly, just what Britten needed. Billy Budd too. Like with the others discussed above, Britten worked hand-in-hand with his librettists to get the format he wanted: overall I prefer his judgement in the earlier operas than the later ones.

I can't agree with you about Wagners texts not standing close scrutiny. Whilst one might not want to hear them as plays in their own right (that's not a necessary requirement for a good libretto, is it?) they seem to me to withstand the most detailed scrutiny and to be perfectly at one with Wagner's music. And the way he managed to make the verse have a unique Klang, sound in each opera is extraordinary. Crucially, as you say though, the whole thing works on stage, even with some bizarre productions.  I'm sure there will be more to be said about Wagner!

Chris

Parla, I'm still waiting for your promised fuller-version. Or shouldn't I?

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Chris, I do work for living. So, sometimes, time and circumstances are not that favorable to me.

So, let's get started:

Based on the questions I put, you may guess that I don't believe that there is a libretto "successful" per se. As an "auxiliary", a "tool", a "vehicle" for the final product of an Opera or an Operetta or a Musical Theatre etc., it cannot become a work of art by itself. I think we will care less for Der Rosenkavalier, if the music for that Opera was written by another weaker composer than R. Strauss.

In the same vein, I don't mind at all if the libretto and the plot of Haendel's Alcina is rubbish. The music transcends the text and make it sound as angel's (or bird's) song. I love more than much Haendel's Operas regardless of the libretti, because the composers in the Baroque era did not composed music for the theatre but music that could be used in the theatre. So, the conventions were bigger and the limitations greater than the Classical and Romantic periods. However, Rameau, Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Charpentier and some more wrote wonderful and great music for the Opera theatre of their time.

Going to more modern periods, we may have cases were we may encounter strong texts of a libretto, almost as a theatrical play. However, poor music make them suffer as the final product sounds awkward and, if they had to be performed as individual theatrical works, a lot of adjustments have to be made. I don't believe, even the greatest loyal of Wagner would bother to attend a performance of the text of the Ring. Probably, the whole think is going to be so "naked" that one may never wish to listen to the actual "Ring".

Besides, even when great works of literature are used, major adjustments have to be made and, depending on the music of the composer concerned, they become "shadows" or minor works of the original texts. I remember a man of theatre, who listened, for the first time, Verdi's Macbeth. He almost hated it, because he could not recognise the "orignal" thing. Another one almost fainted, when he was exposed to Hamlet by Thomas.

Menotti had some very successful libretti for some of his Operas: a striking one is The Medium and another is The Consul. Both suffer from the music, which seems to follow the text. In 'Live" performances, they work better, but in recordings, they suffer and that's why there are virtually no recordings of them.

In sum, there is no "successful" libretto per se; there are intelligent librettists who collaborated quite well with specific composers, so that the former could contribute to the success of the final product of the latter.

Parla

P.S.: Another pair of perfect collaborators was the notable Gilbert and Sullivan. Take The Mikado: a theatrical nonsense along with a musical folly, but how together they work so wonderfully. The text, all of a sudden, seems to make almost perfect sense, while the music is flying and flowing.

 

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I didn't think I had anything to contribute to (or have too much interest in) this topic until Parla mentioned Gilbert and Sullivan above.  That gave me pause for thought, as they say.

About the only thing of any value whatsoever I took from the awful Catholic Secondary Modern school I was forced to attend has been every word and every note of "The Pirates of Penzance", learnt, would you believe, at age 12!  I only managed to be a pirate in the chorus, but to this day I can "sing" every part of it.  The rehearsals and performances I found to be sheer joy in those bleak days.    It was my very first introduction to non-pop music.  (Although it was not even pop music at that time. I have vague memories
of my parents listening to Bing Crosby and Rosemary Cloony on the radio.  
Elvis rescued me much later.) 

Another memory has just surfaced, if I can be pardoned a digression:  I remember falling painfully in love (from afar and unbeknown) with the girl playing Mabel.  I still remember her name, for goodness sake: Paula Milne, where are you now?!!  No-one has ever sung "Poor wandering one" like her since.  (Staff changes precluded subsequent events so this musical experience was a one-off affair.) 

In my mind, those operettas are as much "story" as "music"; the words and the music are inseparable.

However, with opera, I can enjoy the music with only a general sense of the "story-line" as part follows part.  It's enough for me.  In that wonderful duet in Figaro, "Che soave zeffiretto...", I only need a general impression of sense and I'm off.  Same with Mimi's death-throes, etc.

As for religious music, one of my best loved forms, I "have the Latin"  as Peter Cook used to say, (of the mass from my young days) but the words have no consequence for me whatsoever.  Here the human voice is a musical instrument only. 

I am aware that for lovers of opera who have and want more involvement than I in the form, every aspect is vital.  Just not for me.  I will read a libretto once and that's enough for me. 

Vic.

 

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Sorry Parla, I did not mean to press you. Rather I felt slightly uneasy about replying to others before you after you had been the first to respond.

So, indeed, back to business:

I suppose I could summarise by saying that paragraph by paragraph I agree with much that you write, but overall would draw some different conclusions.

So paragraph by paragraph, starting with your last statement:

"There are intelligent librettists who collaborated quite well with specific composers, so that the former could contribute to the success of the final product of the latter."

I agree, though I think it undervalues the role of some of the greatest librettists, Da Ponte, Boito, Hofmannstahl.

'Based on the questions I put, you may guess that I don't believe that there is a libretto "successful" per se. As an "auxiliary", a "tool", a "vehicle" for the final product of an Opera or an Operetta or a Musical Theatre etc., it cannot become a work of art by itself. I think we will care less for Der Rosenkavalier, if the music for that Opera was written by another weaker composer than R. Strauss.'

I suppose a libretto could become a work of art by itself, but I agree that is not its purpose. As you say it's a vehicle for the final product. But the vehicle can make a big difference to the product: Rosenkavalier without Hofmannstahl's superb libretto would surely have been a lesser work.

"In the same vein, I don't mind at all if the libretto and the plot of Haendel's Alcina is rubbish. The music transcends the text and make it sound as angel's (or bird's) song. I love more than much Haendel's Operas regardless of the libretti, because the composers in the Baroque era did not composed music for the theatre but music that could be used in the theatre. So, the conventions were bigger and the limitations greater than the Classical and Romantic periods."

Here, I think the most important phrase is the one I highlighted in bold. Handel's operas are full of wonderful music but make poor theatre. The audience went to hear the star singers. As you noted some earlier composers were less tied to these anti-theatrical conventions, most notablty Monteverdi, who had the good fortune to work with fine librettists. Incidentally it is true that Monteverdi, like Mozart put a lot of effort into getting his librettists to modify their texts to suit his needs. I suppose what applies to Handel also is true for many bel canto operas

"Going to more modern periods, we may have cases were we may encounter strong texts of a libretto, almost as a theatrical play. However, poor music make them suffer as the final product sounds awkward and, if they had to be performed as individual theatrical works, a lot of adjustments have to be made. I don't believe, even the greatest loyal of Wagner would bother to attend a performance of the text of the Ring. Probably, the whole think is going to be so "naked" that one may never wish to listen to the actual 'Ring'."

There's a lot in here! I strongly agree with your first sentence. And of course I agree that poor music is a waste of a good libretto. Following on from that, no-one expects a libretto to be a work of theatre in its own right. Even when the source of a libretto is a great play or novel, the art of the librettist is to transform the original text into something possible for an opera. Again I suggest this is the triumph of those librettists I named before (Hofmannstal, Da Ponte, Boito). In the case of Wagner, the situation is slightly different. Certainly few would want to hear his libretto for the Ring as a play, but I guess most people would find it more enjoyable reading Wagner's text than struggling through the Edda Sagas, the Volsung Saga and the Nibelungenlied. I am always astonished at how few inconsistencies there are within this masterly text! A truly masterful libretto by any standard! I really don't believe anyone could claim that the libretto is irrelevant to the success of these Gesamtkunstwerke. Just as an aside, we might consider Wagner 'problem-child', Tannhauser. Surely this work is not musically weaker than those surrounding it, the 'problem' to the extent that there is one, comes from the relatively unsatisfactory libretto.

"Besides, even when great works of literature are used, major adjustments have to be made and, depending on the music of the composer concerned, they become "shadows" or minor works of the original texts. I remember a man of theatre, who listened, for the first time, Verdi's Macbeth. He almost hated it, because he could not recognise the "orignal" thing. Another one almost fainted, when he was exposed to Hamlet by Thomas."

Now, for me this is one of the most fascinating questions. Time and again, composers have been fascinated by great plays, Shakespeare of course, Goethe, Schiller. Often the resulting operas are less than complete successes. Goethe's Faust seems the most extreme case, irresistable to spo many composers but almost impossible to turn into an opera. Of Verdi's two masterpieces with Boito, I always find Falstaff the more successful bercause it manages to transcend the plays in a way that Otello could never hope to.

Needless to say all the above is IMO!

My synthesis would be something like:

A successful libretto is a great work of art, not a free-standing one but one that can raise the level of great music to an even higher plane. The art is something to do with reconciling the needs of the composer with the demands of theatre. It's no surprise that most of the greatest librettists have worked hand-in-glove with the composers, or else, rather more rarely, been the composers themselves, the latter a path fraught with danger!

Jane is right, this is a meaty subject - perhaps too meaty.

Thanks again to all (so far) for your responses,

Chris

 


 

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Sorry Vic, I was so busy assembling my own previous post that I failed to notice the arrival of yours!

The first ever live 'opera' I attended was The Gondoliers.  I was 11 at the time. That year was the only year that the full Glyndebourne company came to Liverpool. My grandfather kindly offered to take me to see the Doyle Carte Opera Co. in The Gondoliers.  I still remember vividly how I, rather ungraciously, told him I'd rather go to Don Giovanni!

Of course, I was taken to The Gondoliers and have loved G & S ever since.  I love your story too! And Parla is surely quite right when he says "theatrical nonsense along with a musical folly, but how together they work so wonderfully. The text, all of a sudden, seems to make almost perfect sense, while the music is flying and flowing." It's fashionable to pooh-pooh both Gilbert's prose ands Sullivan's music these days, but nothing seems to be able to destroy these masterpieces, and as you say " the words and the music are inseparable."

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To do this discussion justice I'd have to spend more time considering the points raised and while we've got gorgeous sunny weather outside, forecast to continue to Saturday, I have to get out. Apologies. Just a couple of points on Handel, Chris.

1) I wouldn't totally broad-brush his libretti. As with all composers there are good and less good. As a kind of fairy-tale fantasy, I think Alcina is superb.

2) Yes, the format he followed is stilted and antique. Even the instrumention tends to follow a formula - here comes the obligatory aria accompanied by a solo instrument, these days often played on stage almost jazz style. But I don't find it antiquated. In a way it's like those old comedy series we watched faithfully. The situations, catch phrases and punch lines are repeated again and again but we still love them, almost wait for them.

There's much to say about Britten and Wagner, the Verdi Shakespeare operas too. To be continued.

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VicJayL wrote:

I remember falling painfully in love (from afar and unbeknown) with the girl playing Mabel.  I still remember her name, for goodness sake: Paula Milne, where are you now?!!   

I understand she went on to medical school where she qualified as a doctor and subsequently married a fellow medic. Her surname now is Brodsky, I believe, and she ended up somewhere in Devon.

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I am aware that for lovers of opera who have and want more involvement than I in the form, every aspect is vital.  Just not for me.  I will read a libretto once and that's enough for me. 

I'm not so sure lovers of opera are necessarily all that fussy, Vic. This one certainly isn't - in most cases anyway - and I can well understand that once the essential story line and plot have been established, then the libretto may have served its purpose for you. Nothing wrong with that in my book - there's a limit to how much intellectual or literary anlysis many a libretto can bear.

This has been a fascinating thread, and work commitments mean this is a brief reply, but I think Parla makes a very good point indeed when he says that, in the vast majority of cases, the libretto is a vehicle for the final product rather than being a work of art in its own right. Off hand, I can think of only one opera libretto that, for the most part, is directly comparable to its literary original, namely Salome, which follows Wilde's original very closely.

Apparently Verdi once wrote to Rossini, praising him for achieving the acme of marrying words to music in perfect balance. And he was referring to just a single phrase at the end of Act 1 of The Barber - "Signor Justitzia, per carita" which perhaps, in a small way, illustrates the point that Parla was making, as I understand it.

 

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JKH wrote:

VicJayL wrote:

I remember falling painfully in love (from afar and unbeknown) with the girl playing Mabel.  I still remember her name, for goodness sake: Paula Milne, where are you now?!!   

I understand she went on to medical school where she qualified as a doctor and subsequently married a fellow medic. Her surname now is Brodsky, I believe, and she ended up somewhere in Devon.

 

 

Brilliant, JKH!  I laughed 'till tears rolled.  You have made my day!

Vic.

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I'm not sure we're convincing Chris but the rest of us may be arriving at the same point: the best literature may not necessarily be the best libretto. You and I may have to disagree on Wagner, Chris. I find his libretti make turgid, sometimes nonsensical, reading. Apply the music and focus on the theatrical concept rather than individual words and sentences, and the whole thing is transformed. Tannhauser may be a ramshackle affair but in the right performance (take a look at the Baryreuth Davis/Jones recording) it can be a magnificent experience.

There's an analogy that I hope isn't too lowbrow for some of you. If you've ever seen Coppola's Apocalypse Now, try to get hold of the documentary Hearts of Darkness, which is about the making of the film. There's much discussion of the script, based loosely on Conrad's novel and adapted by John Milius, who is interviewed extensively and is plainly slightly peeved about the changes and cuts to his work. He quotes frequently from it, and then we go to the lines Coppola used in the film. There's little doubt that the work of Milius is more sophisticated and resonates better as stand-alone literature. There's equally little doubt that Coppola's simplified, colloquialised and sometimes totally different lines work better on screen.

Part of Wagner's multi-facetted genius was his ability to recognise this distinction between text designed to be given life in the mind, and what works on stage, set to music.

 

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tagalie wrote:

 If you've ever seen Coppola's Apocalypse Now, try to get hold of the documentary Hearts of Darkness, which is about the making of the film. There's much discussion of the script, based loosely on Conrad's novel

 

Yes.  Great film, documentry - and novel. 

Vic.