Where are all the women-composers?

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Hello everyone!

A very interesting and informative topic, thank you for bringning
it up Evgeniya!

I don't think I saw anyone mention Alice Mary Smith though, a
composer I appreciate anyhow. She was the first female composer to
have a symphony performed in Britain. And I think her two symphonies
are quite interesting works, if somewhat conservative.

Which raises an other interesting question, maybe subject of a
future dicussion: It seems to me that female composers, when they are
allowed to their appropriate carrier, are more stylistically
conservative in general, than their male counterpart. This is not a
judgement, but surprices me, as being a successful female composer in
general has unfortunately been a bit avant garde in itself. Am I
right or wrong?

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Tompa, your thought about "female composers, when they are
allowed to their appropriate carrier, are more stylistically
conservative in general, than their male counterpart" doesn't surprise me.

I would think this applies not only to female composers but to women's nature in general. This is a generalization, a stereotype, perhaps, but one that seems to me to have come from nature and the way everything has been thought out in the universe: women are more conservative and less risk-taking than men, in any profession.

I would suggest that this is a natural division that might not be as clear cut in our society and in modern days would not hold universally at all given the changing roles of men and women in society.

However, traditionally, the main role of a man was to venture out into the wild to hunt (and take risks to bring back food) and the role of the woman was to look after the home (and protect it, ie. not take risks). Hence, women would naturally have less of a predesposition to take risks, as manifested in all areas, including music.

 

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Anyone not too scared off by something contemporary may care to catch Sally Beamish's second 'cello concerto (UK premiere) broadcast on Tuesday night and on the BBC i Player. I heard it broadcast whilst working in the kitchen and decided it was worth a proper listen when I could concentrate.

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33lp wrote:

Anyone not too scared off by something contemporary may care to catch Sally Beamish's second 'cello concerto (UK premiere) broadcast on Tuesday night and on the BBC i Player. I heard it broadcast whilst working in the kitchen and decided it was worth a proper listen when I could concentrate.

Many thanks for mentioning this 33lp, as I missed it at the time - having just heard it, it's definitely worth a 'proper listen'.

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Evgeniya-

The "fact" that you refer to here is a cultural construct and has absolutely no bearing on the realities of the creative capacities of women. In point of fact, the female brain tends more toward creative activity than does the male brain.

As we know, history is written by the winners. Music history is really no different. Female composers of past eras may seem more "conservative" than their male counterparts not because there is a fundamental or "natural" difference between women and men based on their roles, but because women had much more restricted access to music of the day and to legitimate music theory training because of those prescribed roles.

In addition, the fact is that patriarchal, male-dominated societies (such as the moneyed European societies that fostered the creation of classical works) quashed the efforts of female composers. There are women composers throughout history whose repressed works are slowly being brought to light or finally represented as their own work rather than the work of a father, brother, or husband. In addition, women not connected to successful composers or musicians of the day had little to no chance for publishing, as the work of women was often dismissed without consideration or vilified as stolen from men. Beyond that, women of color or from other cultural traditions were so much the worse off in this situation. Who knows how many works by women composers never saw an instrument or a printing press?

Historically,you've got Hildegaard von Bingen, Elisabeth-Claude Jacquet de la Guerre, Barbara Strozzi, Isabella Colbran, Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel, Alma Mahler-Werfel, Clara Wieck, Cecile Chaminade, Liza Lehmann, Amy Beach, Pauline Viardot, Johanna Beyer, and Lili Boulanger.

In any event, the idea of female composers as off-brand versions of their male cohort is an obsolete cliche. In the 20th century, the first time that women are able to make a legitimate and widespread claim to higher education, women composers are often at the forefront of creative impulses.

Look at Cathy Berberian, Emma Lou Diemer, Joan Tower, Ellen Taaffe Zwilich, Tania Leon, Hilary Tann, Libby Larsen, Julia Wolfe, Jennifer Higdon, Gabriela Ortiz, Liza Lim, Gabriela Lena Frank, Lera Auerbach, and Augusta Read Thomas.

The music of women composers is a rich catalogue. You just need to care enough to find it, listen, and make your decisions.

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My 2 favourite women composers are film composers (which may count against them in certain circles):

Debbie Wiseman (Best score: Wilde)

Rachel Portman (Nicholas Nickleby)

 

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Don't forget Ethyl Smythe and Grace Williams.  

A book was published a few years ago listed all the women composers.

Robert.

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I was listening the other day to Alice Mary Smith's 2 symphonies from Howard Shelley & the London Mozart Players (Chandos). Apparently the first Englishwoman to write a symphony and have it performed (in the 1860s). Sunny cheerful music much in the style of Mendelssohn but I thought the andante for clarinet & orchestra, the composer's orchestration of the middle movement of her clarinet sonata, quite a little gem.

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In the 20th century, the first time that women are able to make a legitimate and widespread claim to higher education, women composers are often at the forefront of creative impulses.

Hear hear. Some of the most significant composers of the past century were women, however obscure their work was to the general public. Ruth Crawford (later Crawford-Seeger) was a serialist in America before it was fashionable. Her scant output included Suite 1931 for string quartet, one of the most advanced American works for its time. Elisabeth Lutyens was a serialist in the postwar UK, languishing in obscurity until the music world caught up with her in the 1980s. Americans Barbara Kolb and Augusta Read Thomas still compose bold, original music for world-class orchestras, even though more conventional composers such as Jennifer Higdon receive more attention.

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The reasons why women composers, both historical and contemporary, still struggle for recognition by the official establishment (i.e., mainstream presenters and recording and publishing industry), are historical and societal; and, therefore, very slow to change.

To begin exploring this issue, I would like to suggest the following online article:

http://www.kapralova.org/journal7.pdf

More on this issue can be also found here:

http://www.kapralova.org/JOURNAL.htm

The articles are from the women in music journal of the Kapralova Society, a non-profit music society based in Toronto, Canada. Many of them are written by a respected Canadian scholar in the field, Dr. Eugene Gates (from the Royal Conservatory in Toronto), who dedicated much of his life to promoting historical women composers.

Recognition of a composer starts with reviews. The Gramophone should take a lead in this area if they want to to continue claiming that they are the world's authority on  classical music. You cannot lead the field if you don't cover such a vast area as is the women in music - an independent field of study since the 1980s. Music by Rebecca Clarke, Ethel Smyth, Fanny Hensel, Dora Pejacevic, Vita Kapralova, Gubaidulina, and many others, should become a part of the official canon. Time is long overdue.

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Four favorites of mine that I don't think have been mentioned here:

Ethel Smyth (1858-1944) -- English. Her underrated opera "The Wreckers" may still be available on CD, and in my opinion holds up well even against Peter Grimes.

Grazyna Bacewicz (1909-1969) -- Polish. her excellent violin concertos have been issued on 2 CD's from Chandos in fine performances

Chen Yi (1953-) Chinese-American. Wonderful blend of eastern and western material, superbly imaginative orchestrater.

Tania Leon (1943-) Cuban-American. Alas, very little of her work is recorded, but "Bata" and "Carabali" are fine orchestral pieces.

I'll second any recommendation of Lili Boulanger -- a composer of Mussorgskian power and visceral impact, especially in the choral/orchestral work. Eliz. Maconchy is also fine, but rather cool and cerebral.

Happy listening!

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