Who do you trust among the critics?

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Nowadays, when anybody (and nobody) hold themselves out as critics (by posting on the internet for example), I find myself increasingly discerning as to who, among the professional critics, I trust.

Sadly, the great ones - the ones I trusted without question - are either dead or retired. The names that spring to mind are Steane, Blyth, Salter, Mann etc. There are others, Potter for example, and, from further afield Tubeuf and Hansgeorg Lenz.

I am not sure what made them great - the ability to convince is no doubt a quality; no pre-formed views, getting to the heart of the matter; demonstrating the points that really counts etc. But also the fact that, though their views could be cutting and ascerbing, from the core of their reviews always shone a light of respect for the performers in question, whether they agreed with an interpretation or not.

Unquestionably, Gramophone still manages to hold on to some of the good ones - I rarely question Cowan or Osborne, for example.

Others, I barely bother with - to me Bryce Morrison, despite his music credentials and knowledge, was entirely discredited by the Hatto affair (in the corporate world he'd been axed). It goes to show that an imminent teacher or performer doesn't necessarily make a good critic. Peter Quantrill is so prejudiced that I know that he'd annoy me even before we get started. Harriet Smith's star is descending over her love affair with Paul Lewis. Mellor's on the rise for his openmindedness and generosity of spirit that shines through.

I'd be interested in knowing what critics you trust. And what makes a great critic.

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Sorry about the spelling errors!

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For me, RO has been the critic for whom I've had the greatest respect. I regret there's so little of him in Gramophone these days, and that so much I'd have expected him to review - especially Bruckner - goes to RC. I've nothing against Mr Cowan, it's just that there's a bit too much of him about.

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A tip, HMV: Respect all the critics, since they are professionals and in the Classical Music business, but never trust their judgements because of their credentials. Take the elements, views and analysis they offer as indicative information.

By reading at least four different magazines from UK, France and occasionally from Germany, I can tell you there is no straightforward and final review from any critic/reviewer, anywhere.

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Richard Osborne, one of the few to be trusted as a Beethoven reviewer. I used to listen to Radio 3 Saturday morning record review in the days when he was on. Agree with HMV about Bryce Morrison but gave up on him when he declared Argerich as the greatest living pianist and he is presumably responsible for her inclusion in the Hall of Fame.

Edward Greenfield , Ivan March & Robert Layton generally pretty fair (and in the Penguin Guide). Rob Cowan blotted his copy book over the Davis/LSO/Berlioz much discussed on another thread.

Jeremy Nicholas in particular for his appreciation of historic piano recordings and 78s (although was he also not tainted by the Hatto affair?).

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I think that no music magazine proved themselves a more willing instrument of the deception (fraud)that was the Hatto affair. They were all too eager to go along with the fairytale story of this pianist from the past, only known to real conoisseurs, who in severe agony (from cancer?) rose from the grave (almost) and published these astonishing recordings, aided by orchestras that nobody had heard of under conductors from an imaginary universe. Did anybody take responsibility for the involvement? Did any axes fall?

 

I wasn't a member of the forum at the time but as an avid reader I didn't see anything in print. 

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I too was mystified how the critics were taken in by the names of non-existent conductors and orchestras. This might have happened with some independent labels in LP days when names were hidden because of contractual  restrictions. The RPO in Beecham's time recorded pseudonymously for Westminster and the "RCA Victor Orchestra" no doubt also hid some more familiar names,  but surely not today when everything is so much more open.

Whether Barrington-Coupe was motivated by devotion to his wife or he tried it on as a money making exercise only he can tell us but he was a pioneer in the early days of LP making first recordings of works by Bax and employing the young Vernon Handley with his Guildford Philharmonic and making a number of recordings with the great pianist Sergio Fiorentino. In his Bax biography Lewis Foreman actually highly rates Bax's symphonic variations with the real Hatto. 

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The only ones worth trusting are the ones that you agree with.

Practically speaking if you buy a CD on the recommendation of a critic and it turns out that you like it then it stands to reason.

If, like me, you're a sucker for any old hype then you end up with a load of dross.

Hooray for musicmagpie!

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Yes, it's nice if you can find a critic who you know to share your taste.  But, there is more to it than that (of course).  For instance, in the 'old days' The Gramophone used a much smaller roster of critics and gave them more space to write.  Major works were regularly reviewed by only one or two critics so it was easily possible for me to get a feeling for whether I would enjoy the recording being reviewed, even if my taste was quite different from the reviewer.  I go back to the days of Alec Robertson, Trevor Harvey, William Mann, etc.

Now, with so many critics and so little space allocated to each, with a few and decreasing number of honourable exceptions, I find it really difficult to assess recordings based on the reviews.  Fortunately though, there are more and more chances to hear at least excerpts from many recordings before you buy!

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33lp wrote:

In his Bax biography Lewis Foreman actually highly rates Bax's symphonic variations with the real Hatto. 

The Hatto/Handley Symphonic Variations is superb, in a totally different league from the Fingerhut/Thomson.

As I've said before re. critics, they all, like all of us, have their quirks and preferences. Get to know them, find one whose taste roughly matches your own, understand his or her idiosyncrasies, and go from there. It's no different from talking to friends about favourite movies. You have to filter their views based on your past experience of their preferences.

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Interesting Tagalie....I've only got Fingerhut/Thomson but presumably Hatto's now gone for good and no longer available. Had wondered about Ashley Wass's version but with Winter Legends I found little to choose between him & Fingerhut.

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I am not sure I place a great deal of trust in any reviewer these days (I think the critic should be kept for those who write about performances). This is not to say that I know more than them (I most certainly do not!) but just because after quite a few years of listening my decisions about what recordings to buy fall broadly into two catagories: releases by artists who interest me or repetoire first choices.

I would like to add that I used to really like William Mann, a critic of the highest order. Andew Porter is almost at that level, although he really is not a reviewer.

All reviewers/critics have their strengths and omissions. Jessica Duchen, who seems to get a lot of print these days, has professed at length to struggling with Bruckner. I have no problem with that sort of issue, except where the arguments foraversion to once composer are weak.

 

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33lp wrote:

Interesting Tagalie....I've only got Fingerhut/Thomson but presumably Hatto's now gone for good and no longer available. Had wondered about Ashley Wass's version but with Winter Legends I found little to choose between him & Fingerhut.

Now you've got me worried. I just ordered the Wass recordings of both the Symphonic Variations and Winter Legends. I'm not keen on Fingerhut in either of these works and my Hatto is a tape which, sooner or later, will go the way of most of my tapes and develop pitch waver. Too bad this recording got washed away with all the others after the scandal floodgates opened.

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Well Tagalie, Wass's solo Bax is very good. I'd be interested to hear what you make of his piano & orchestra recordings. If your're into these Bax works his Concertino, left unfinished & completed by Bax scholar Graham Parlett, is worth a listen on Mark Bebbington's recording which is probably its first performance. Despite the title it's a full blown concerto lasting almost half an hour.

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I'm not sure there isn't a distinction to be made between critics and reviewers.   I instinctively mistrust anyone trying to sell me a disc or an artist - it's rather a giveaway when a writer who doesn't do either criticism or review interviews an artist who just happens to have a new release on the market in order to bolster their image, but for reviewers to do  this disqualifies them as critics, for me, anyway.   I'm also a little suspicious of the compilers of comparative reviews who limit themselves to currently obtainable discs and then conclude that a relatively recent disc made or recorded in the UK is somehow more deserving than, say, Toscanini, Giulini, Klemperer or Bernstein, or Sviatoslav Richter or Serkin.  Even if they don't play the authentic performance style card.  Critical styles change too, as readers of the Gramophone archive will not need telling.  So does taste.  What Alec Robertson wrote about the first issue of the Solti Gotterdammerung is still worth reading, but I don't suppose many would now agree with it.

There seems to be a constraint imposed by relations with the industry.   In the days of the appalling Toscanini NBC 78s of the late 1940s and early 1950s, I seem to recall, The Record Guide, a publication of immense authority, limited itself to the reflection that they "did not sound well on British machines".   The convention now seems to be that the faults of an issue are only commented on when it is reissued after a year or two, and then, in those publications which rate by stars (as the Record Guide once did), only indirectly.   Folk who write within those constraints aren't critics but reviewers, surely.  Obviously they have a part to play in the game, but......

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I'm particularly wary of comments on recording quality. Recordings sound very different on different set-ups and many reviewers are at a time of life when their upper range hearing has to be limited.