Anyone interested in Chamber Music?

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Been  listening to an enjoyable new disc from a couple of our up & coming young musicians, Jennifer Pike & Tom Poster, in Brahms's & Schuman's first violin sonatas & 3 Romances by Clara S.

Beautifully recorded in the rich warm acoustics of Potton Hall (Chandos).

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Hello All, I'm new to this thread but have been enjoying string quartets for 20 years. Having first been turned on by Janacek and Kodaly, I worked backwards and forwards from there. Particular favourites outside the obvious greats have been Villa Lobos and Milhaud, neither of whom seem to get much concert hall action.  Any fans of the SQs of Kurtag and Ades?  I heard Arcadiana by Thomas Ades played a few years ago by I think the Petersen Quartet.  I've forgotten who I heard play Kurtag's Microludien, but it was in the Wigmore Hall a couple of years ago. In both cases, the recordings had not impressed, but the live performances grabbed me.

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Welcome to the thread and the forum, bantrybay. While, String Quartet is the most substantive and popular medium in the genre of Chamber Music, there are plenty to discover in other formats, like the indispensable to explore Piano Trios, the intimate but extremely interesting Piano Quartet and the mighty and almost Symphonic Piano Quintet. String Quintets offer a small but essential repertory with some of the most glorious and rewarding works.

In any case, as for your main interest, I believe Villa-Lobos String Quartets are of specific value, but, at least technically, they are challenging and rewarding pieces. Likewise, Millaud's String Quartets, for all their interest, are not in the same league as the one of a kind respective works of Debussy, Faure and Ravel (all masterpieces of the first order).

Kurtag and Ades are not at all my cup of tea, but, at least for Kurtag, there is a very fine SACD, on Neos, with the "Complete works for String Quartet" with the Athena Quartet, a German group quite good and devoted to contemporary composers.

For something "outside the obvious greats" (which ones do you mean, actually?), you may try the the double CD, on Praga, of the String Quartets by the Czech composer Victor Kalabis, performed most brilliantly by the Kocian and the Zemlinsky Quartets as well as the Martinu's (again with Kocian Quartet, on Praga) or the very exciting and quite interesting ones by Weinberg (with Danel Quartet, on  CPO, in six volumes).

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The Henschel Quartet's disc of Ginastera first two quartets is worth a try if you fancy Bartok in beachware. Or for Ravel in a toga try Enescu's two quartets on Naxos played by the Ad Libitum quartet. Schulhoff's two quartets on Naxos played by the Aviv Quartet if you like Shostakovich doing Jewish dance music may also be worth a listen.

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Ginastera I know of but haven't heard. I have the Enescu recording you mention, plus another by the Athenaeum Enescu Quartet on CPO.  I must listen to it again because it hasn't ever really grabbed me. The Brandis Quartet recorded Schulhoff No.1  - haven't heard the other. 'Shostakovich doing Jewish dance music'? OK... judgement duly suspended.

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Thanks for the welcome.  I know there's a huge world of chamber music still to explore. I'm familiar with some Schubert, Beethoven, Shostakovich but not much else (outside string quartets).

I would have said Kurtag and Ades weren't my cup of tea either, until I heard them live.

'The obvious greats' to me are: Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Debussy, Ravel, Bartok. Also Shostakovich, Mendelssohn, Brahms? Then it gets interesting, as there is a host of composers whose quartets are engaging/entertaining but perhaps not of such consistently high quality. I wonder if there's much, or any, agreement about this opinion.

Thank you for pointing me towards Kalabis and Weinberg - I'll look out for them.  Martinu and Zemlinsky I listened to years ago but haven't heard for a long time. Martinu's quartets were recorded by the Stamitz Quartet on Bayer in the 90s (the first set available on CD), and there's an older box set of the Second Viennese School by the La Salle Quartet that contains the Zemlinsky cycle.

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Alex

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Alex, "the obvious greats" are all the composers you mentioned (including the ones with "also" and the question mark) and they are not great only for you. Simply they are the essential listening of the great composers in Chamber Music (as well, since they composed great works outside the genre too). I trust we should include Faure (his Chamber Music output is outstanding, in every way), Dvorak (his Chamber opus is uneven, but the great works in the genre are second to none) and Franck, to mention the most obvious or what some call "essential listening" for the genre.

Another misconception is the one that Chamber Music starts with the Classical era and, particularly with Haydn. There is plenty to explore, in this genre, in Baroque and Rococo periods too: J.S. Bach and some of his most illustrious sons have some marvelous works for inspiring listening. Telemann, Buxtehude, Vivaldi and Corelli, Rameau and so on.

Individually, some composers created some of the most substantive works in Chamber Music. You may try the magnificent Piano Quartet by Chausson, the Piano Quartet and String Quartet by Lekeu, the Clarinet Quintet by Weber, to mention only few.

So, there is plenty to explore. Good hunting.

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Parla,

After my last post I lay awake thinking of other great favourites in the string quartet repertoire which I think of as great works but may be less obvious.  Tchaikovsky's 1st I particularly love, to my surprise, as I'm not charmed by much of his output. Janacek's two quartets have a strange magic. You're right, Dvorak was an omission, although his early quartets seem longwinded to me. Faure I'm yet to warm to. Lekeu goes on the wish list.

Among the vast number of quartets of the last 80 years there are also many delights - Hugh Wood, Rochberg, Schnittke (to name but three) have particularly impressed me.

I don't think of Bach, Telemann, Corelli et al as chamber music. What of Bach do you define as chamber music? I think of his works as choral, instrumental, orchestral.

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Alex

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Alex, Tchaikovsky's String Quartets have an established position in the Chamber Music realm. The 1st is a gem and the third a very complex, long, difficult work in a very unusual key (but loved by the composer). Janacek's two String Quartets as well as Smetana's are superb to follow closely. Borodin's Second and the String Quintet are great works by any standard.

Hugh Wood, Rochberg and Schnittke leave me cold but not indifferent. Try instead Prokofiev, Britten, Adorno and, to some extent, Tippett.

Bach's "instrumental" music includes -in the general view- the Chamber works too, like the 6 sublime Violin/Harpsichord Sonatas (performed on modern Piano too), the 3 Viola da Gamba (or Cello)/Harpsichord (or Piano) Sonatas, the Flute Sonatas, the Trio Sonatas and various other works. Most of the "Concertos" are written in the form of expanded Chamber ones and, nowadays, there are quite a few recordings where the Violin, Harpsichord and most of the other Concertos are performed with single instruments for each voice, giving a very Chamber sense of them.

Likewise, Telemann, Corelli, Vivaldi etc. have wonderful Violin, Cello, Flute and Trio Sonatas, Quartets and Quintets for various combinations of instruments as well. Closer to Classical Chamber structure are the Sonatas, Trios, Quartets and Quintets by the sons of Bach (C.P.E. Bach is a must to study) along with Boccherini's vast and delightful output in the genre.

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Parla mentioned Chausson's piano quartet. Well I haven't heard that yet but have been playing recently his Concert for piano, violin & string quartet Op 21 which is rather more passionate than I expected, knowing little of Chausson other than the Poeme for violin & orch & the Poeme de l'amour & la mer (on the other side of de los Angeles's Songs of the Auvergne). Vital, exciting performance from Poster, Pike & Doric Quartet, again well recorded in the lovely acoustics of Potton Hall (Chandos): recommended.

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33lp, Chausson is another underrated, neglected, overlooked genius in the Classical Music realm. Apart from the two masterpieces you mentioned and his magnificent Symphony (a great couple with Franck's), he excelled in Chamber Music too, with few works, more or less like Franck.

His Piano Trio and the String Quartet are superb, but the Piano Quartet is his glorious masterpiece, second to none. There are few good recordings, not easily accessible though, since the best come from francophone groups or soloists, on francophone labels. From the rather easily obtainable, I would suggest the Spiegel Quartet, on MDG. They perform also Franck's monumental Piano Quintet. Another safe bet is the Aeon's very beautiful performance and very warm recording with the Schuman Quartet. However, if you can manage to find any copy from the marginal French label Alphee with the Ensemble Musique Oblique (they also perform Franck's Piano Quintet), don't ever miss it!

Finally, mostly for Chris, who live in Athens. There is an unbelievable recording of Chausson's Piano Quartet along with Brahms' third Piano Quartet with one of the very best Quartets in this genre, but destined to remain unknown due to the well-known situation of Classical Music in Greece. The Quartet is called Elemis and they have few recordings on a marginal (I guess all Classical labels in Greece are marginal) label called Subways. You may order it through their website: www.eratio-subways.net, with some good luck though (you have to use your ancient -or modern- Greek you may know, among other things). However, it's worth trying. They have a good catalogue of quite interesting CDs, by the way.

Parla

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Wow!  A cornucopia of recommendations to try out.  And the forum at its best.  Result: new members and new horizons to explore.  Great work folks.

Now this is where Spotify comes in handy.  I have found it most useful for sampling before purchase - or simply for one-off listening.  Seems good value at £9.99 per month for the top quality feed (360kbs).

What a pity its search engine is so inefficient for classical music.  I searched for Parla's Scarlatti recommendation, got hundreds of hits in a jumbled list with dozens of repetitions - and no Concerti Grossi (well, the odd movement here and there.)  When they sort it out it will be a great medium for trying out music others like and praise.  An end to buying on spec and hoping for the best.

Here goes on a pretty long list gleaned from above.  I may be gone some time.

Vic.

 

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I really love that Chausson Concert for piano, violin & string quartet. It is indeed a most passionate piece, and seems (almost) always to come off well in performance.

Many thanks Parla for the Greek recommendation. I love the Brahms 3rd Quartet too. My wife considers that my modern-Greek is just about good enough for shopping, so I'll try to find it.  It's rare to find interesting Greek recordings once one moves away from the obvious! Incidentally there are still several very good CD shops in Athens: however I live quite far away from the Capital.

Thanks again!

Chris

PS; Vic, I'm jealous of all the favourable comments about Spotify. Even now, it is not available in Greece. Annoying!

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