Check this out if you dare.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 8:17PM
#2
RE: Check this out if you dare.
... your dignified response ...
... Make sure, however, you read between the lines, not above ...
... I send it to...the clowns ...
... I find it indecently irrelevant ...
...I have given enough clues to the musical life of "my hosts" (?!) ...
... I might let you know about my judgement, provided there is anything more to say.
Parla
I am genuinely at a loss to know what to make of all this!
One thing I am confident of though is that you will definitely have plenty to say about the clip.
I trust your trip is enjoyable - and musical (?)
Vic.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 8:32PM
#3
RE: Check this out if you dare.
On the Piazzolla thread I have just comitted to never responding to another Parla quote/post. Given his blatant Wikipedia plagarism and the disgusting 'analogy' given above I urge all posters to forthwith to do the same.
While I sympathise with your motives, I feel that given the sheer volume of Parla's communication on every single topic raised, such a boycott would not be observed by all. I also think that Parla's gaff-prone tendencies are often not meant as they are taken. I am sure that despite the way he responds, he does take on board expressions of distaste or disagreement. One can hope so, anyway.
Vic.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 8:56PM
#4
RE: Check this out if you dare.
As far as I can tell,the first time that using multiple images of one person playing all the instruments in a band was first utilized was in a classic silent by Buster Keaton from 1921 entitled The Playhouse.Buster even has himself as the audience.He was parodying his friend Charlie Chaplin`s penchant for taking credit for every aspect of his films.On YouTube there is a clip titled 'Fritz Reiner Wicked'that I think is funny,even though Fritz Reiner is my all time favorite conductor.Bach can survive anything(even Wendy Carlos).I enjoyed the Cello Song.Once is enough,but it was a pleasant little divertimento of sorts.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 9:54PM
#5
RE: Check this out if you dare.
While I sympathise with your motives.............
Maybe he does take on board 'expressions of distaste or disagreement' it still doesn't kill his desire to want to be top of the class at any cost. The cost here, alas, is the slow death of a once (almost) vibrant forum.
I'm a keen runner and cyclist and contribute to forums (fora?) on these subjects and never have I seen there the vitriolic comments and pedantry that is often displayed here. Perhaps running and cycling aren't so subjective subjects as music. You run or you don't, you win or you don't.
Anyway at least I've learned a couple of things from the 'Great' (to use his worn out adjective) Parla. 1. What Procrustean bed means and 2. That the late quartets of Beethoven are worth listening to. Oh.... and 3. Nobody knows nuffin' like wot Parla does.
P.S. I enjoyed the YouTube clip, 'twas fun.
P.P.S. I do have to say I am a guilty party regarding my vitriol comment. I do get wound up reading the posts of others and, hands-up Gov, some of my comments are not always considered. Maybe I should just stick to listening to the music and kiss this thing goodbye.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 10:00PM
#6
RE: Check this out if you dare.
I thought the YouTube clip was a bit of fun and enjoyed it. There is room for fun in classical music isn't there?
I also thought it was very enjoyable - and if there's no fun in it, we might as well all pack up.
Last year I bought Mission Control a cello as a birthday present, since she's been expressing the wish to play one for years. She's been diligently taking lessons and practising for over a year (though I am banned from listening until she considers she has reached a sufficient standard). I'm in two minds whether to show her the clip or not - I don't know if it will encourage her or put her off!
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 10:34PM
#7
RE: Check this out if you dare.
Sacrilege or great fun?
Vic.
Vic
Fun. I cannot help feeling that this is the sort of music making that happened a long time ago, before the 'tyranny' of recordings and the deification of 'Culture'. There is no harm done to Bach here - just somebody being creative in their love of Bach.
Thu, Jan 5 2012, 11:08PM
#8
RE: Check this out if you dare.
Bach's music is robust and has suffered worse! The solo string works have all sorts of "unheard counterpoint" that can be realised. That is interesting, and worth an occasional listen. As for the rearranging of the form of the piece - I'm less convinced.
Thank you for drawing my attention to it though Vic.
P
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:08AM
#9
RE: Check this out if you dare.
I'm astonished! 9 new posts in a little more than three hours on one topic!
For all those who believe there is "room" (what exactly this can mean, which are the boundaries of it) for fun (that will require a more elaborate definition) in (or out of) Classical Music, I will simply tell them to listen to the music itself. There is enough genuine fun, even in the most serious music, rather than in a caricature of it, much worse in kitsch forms of great and established classical works.
Vic, eventually, you are "genuinely" (!) at loss? However, you still may trace that my "gaff-prone tendencies are not meant as they taken". Well, I learn more things I never knew. Thanks, however, for "asking for more". I'm...flattered! Thanks for the good wishes too.
As for amigo Atonal, I thank you that, eventually, somebody cared to find out what "Procrustean bed" means and that Beethoven's "Late String Quartets are worth listening to" (I can assure you they are more worthy than "listening to" and the rest of his String Quartets are at least worth listening to - try the f minor one , op. 95; you may be thrilled). As for the "nuffin" thing, I leave it for further analysis, some other time.
Good wishes to all of you (after all, it's the beginning of a New Year),
Parla
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 1:43PM
#10
RE: Check this out if you dare.
Vic - you cheered me up no end while I watched a talented and wonderful musician at work making what I am sure Bach would have thought of as a great variation on his cello suite. That was great and very refreshing.
Then I read the rest of the thread. Oh dear...and so unnecessary.
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:22PM
#11
RE: Check this out if you dare.
If that is the case, Martin, I sincerely hope this "talented and wonderful" musician may escape Youtube and present formally to the world his undeniable skills that could make even Bach proud, whitout any risk of apoplexy, that the initiator of the thread was afraid it can happen to some...
By the way, Bach's Cello suites are specific and definitive scores that do not lend themselves to any sort of "variation" (?)!
Parla
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 5:25PM
#12
RE: Check this out if you dare.
By the way, Bach's Cello suites are specific and definitive scores that do not lend themselves to any sort of "variation" (?)!
Parla
Do you think you should reserve judgement until you have actually seen what we are talking about Parla? You have already reached for "caricature" and "kitsch". Surely you can see what a ridiculous position this puts you in?
Vic.
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 6:04PM
#13
RE: Check this out if you dare.
So, from the (almost) probable "apolexy", I might even...embrace this "talented" and "wonderful" multi-performer, Vic? That's real progress!
I have a disdain for "whatever" is being manipulated in Youtube, but, maybe ths time, I may discover a Revelation. We'll see...
Parla
Fri, Jan 6 2012, 6:27PM
#14
RE: Check this out if you dare.
So, from the (almost) probable "apolexy", I might even...embrace this "talented" and "wonderful" multi-performer, Vic? That's real progress!
I have a disdain for "whatever" is being manipulated in Youtube, but, maybe ths time, I may discover a Revelation. We'll see...
Parla
Well it wouldn't hurt to try to keep an open mind, would it Parla? I mean, what have you got to lose here, after all?
Vic.
Sat, Jan 7 2012, 2:18AM
#15
RE: Check this out if you dare.
"Parla", in the language of music, means "He speaks". A very apt choice of pseudonym, if it is one.
Sorry Parla, I sympathised with you recently but you really need to learn a few lessons in forum etiquette. You'd have been given very short shrift on the old Gramophone forum - in fact you'd have been laughed out of court -and it astonishes me that members of the current one are prepared to engage in detailed argument with you. What you need to do urgently is to stop pretending you know more than other forum members. Then your evident appreciation and knowledge of music might serve to enlighten fellow forumites, rather than merely irritating them. This is what forums are about. They are also about expressing opinions. But you deny the validity of other people's opinions since you abhor the concept of "taste". Your own opinions, or "taste", you justify by reference to a mysterious committee of friends, fellow musicians and other experts with whom you are apparently in constant consultation. Shouldn't you at least tell us who these people are? Are there any names among them we would recognise?
Happy New Year to you anyway and to all forum members.
Guillaume
We can always hope Vic.
On the Piazzolla thread I have just comitted to never responding to another Parla quote/post. Given his blatant Wikipedia plagarism and the disgusting 'analogy' given above I urge all posters to forthwith to do the same.
Pause for thought.