Check this out if you dare.
Sun, Jan 8 2012, 8:20PM
#2
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I think you'll find that all the above mentioned people were old enough to speak for themselves and humble enough not to put words into other peoples mouths. Especially when the word is such a childish utterance as 'it rocks'.
Sorry Gottfried - I messed up the post - as Homer Simpson would say "doh"!! It should have read:
So, I am not in "constant consultation" with them, but rather I am one of them. Besides, these "unsung heroes", I have had the opportunity to know, in my various travelling and living in different countries, some well known artists, like Bernstein, Brendel, Uchida, Lang Lang, Sutherland, Horne, Taddei, Kremer etc., with whom I had the chance to exchange views and learn some more about this Music and its composers.
I bet Bernstein, Brendel, Uchida, Lang Lang, Sutherland, Horne, Taddei, Kremer and Bach think / would have thought that the you tube clip rocks!
That's better - sorry you may have misunderstood dude!
Sun, Jan 8 2012, 11:24PM
#3
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Sorry Gottfried - I messed up the post - as Homer Simpson would say "doh"!!
Yes it makes sense now. Sorry for the slight on your character. However you do look a little too old to be totally comfortable using phrases such as 'rocks' and 'dude'. It's not big and it's not clever, don't do it again, your children will just find you embarrassing, and tell you so.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 4:28AM
#4
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Let it go, Gotfried, let it go!
A thread, on such a non Classical Music issue (to say the least), reaching the 50th post with utterances of...Homer Simpson, is really...something (to be polite and say the least).
Let it go (However, I'm not sure if others would be ready to do the same).
Parla
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 9:17AM
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RE: Check this out if you dare.
I bet Bernstein, Brendel, Uchida, Lang Lang, Sutherland, Horne, Taddei, Kremer and Bach think / would have thought that the you tube clip rocks!
I think you'll find that all the above mentioned people were old enough to speak for themselves and humble enough not to put words into other peoples mouths. Especially when the word is such a childish utterance as 'it rocks'.
Is it just me or is this ringing bells for others too? Are we witnessing yet another reincarnation of our much-missed "Mr Angry"? Apologies to fellow happy-licence-fee paying colleague Gottfried if I'm mistaken!
Vic.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 8:13AM
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Despite your vow not to engage in any kind of discourse with me ...
Parla
No discourse was attempted in my post: discourse is not possible when infallibility is assumed by one's interlocutor. My post was about Parla, not to him.
However...
Vic.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 9:23AM
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Consider: he is supposedly on holiday on the other
side of the world but long and detailed posts continue to flood in;
he claims "blinkered and obsessive absolutism" as a virtue
in defence of his “cause”; he suggests Chris' opinion of
something he (Parla) has not seen is evidence of faulty judgement on
Chris' part and that will impair future appreciation; he claims
classical music is evidence of the existence of god; he believes that
only professionals like himself have the authority - yes, he uses the
word authority - to judge what is great in music; he has at least
once stolen information to pass off as his own; he invents details in
a futile attempt to "prove" that record companies sabotage
their reissued catalogue to produce an inferior product; he has no
sense of irony and affects hurt at humour directed at him; he asserts
that music can be evaluated through means other than listening to it;
he thinks the rape of a child is a suitable analogy for what he sees
as criticism of artistic integrity; his posts often ramble into
incoherence in desperate attempts at self-justification; no statement
that has caused shock, disdain or upset has ever elicited regret or
apology; and on and on it goes.
This is obsessive monomania, which by his own
admission eschews reason and logic in defence against the supposed
persecution of (classical-only) great music.
Vic.
Parla posts an 800+ word reply and addresses one of the many issues above culled from shocked, appalled or disgusted responses of posters here to his very numerous assertions on this forum.
In passing, note how the length of his responses seems to equate to levels of discomfort when held to account for statements he has made.
The one issue he deals with above is the god question:
Quote: I have never ever claimed or stated, in any
possible way, that classical music is evidence of the existence of
God... Then: That means I can find God in Classical Music for all the reasons
I stated ...
Now, I know when questions of religion are involved, words can mean what you want them to mean, so I'll take this one as covered.
That leaves twelve or so others to go. At the current rate that raises the scary prospect of nearly ten thousand words of similar equivocation, motive-questioning deflection and evasion, and all the other devices in the Parla armoury.
And all in a tone of mock indignation at being held to account for his own assertions. Time and time again forum posters have been left expressing disbelief, frustration, even anger, at the blithe way Parla feels he can drown criticism with evasion, denial or distortion.
Parla seems to work on the principle of the end justifying the means. The end is always being seen to be in the right about "truth"; the means, anything to hand: child-rape analogies, self-destructing reissued CDs, Chris' lack of musical judgement - anything.
Well, enough is enough. Like the rest of us, Parla is responsible for his own assertions and will be reminded of them constantly, repetitive though that may be. And it will stand as a reminder that honourable motives require honourable expression not any fatuous or dishonourable piece of ammunition that comes to hand.
Vic.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 9:27AM
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Irony (from the Ancient Greek, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance) is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions. There is presently no accepted method for textually indicating irony, though an irony (punctuation) mark has been proposed.
Ironic statements (verbal irony) typically imply a meaning in opposition to their literal meaning.
(Source: Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)
...Take a chill pill man...
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 12:26PM
#9
RE: Check this out if you dare.
Irony (from the Ancient Greek ...
...Take a chill pill man...
Martin, there are many posters to this forum besides myself who have good cause to resent the belittling and/or distortion of their contributions by Parla over a very long period of time. If you are not one who has been so offended, well, good, but please allow an attempt at some redress on the part of those so aggrieved.
While I applaud irony, and do acknowledge some just cause for it with my seeming dogged persistence of this matter, I suggest that cynicism, if such it be in this case, is a tad unfair given the sheer volume of frustration expressed by many here.
Now, if I have misread the intention of your post, I apologise unreservedly.
Vic.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 3:03PM
#10
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Don't attempt to deal with the definition of "irony", Martin; you'll be lost in translation. Just for your information, for Aristotle, irony was "saying less than is meant", as for Socrates,... leave it for some other time (it's much worse).
The tip: don't debate irony; it can only inspire annoying arguments.
(And please refrain from more Homer's utterances).
Parla
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 4:06PM
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Since you still devote posts about and not to Parla, I find myself compelled to return the "honour". By the way, Parla greatly appreciates your obssesive monomania about him.
Enough is enough. That's true for me too. Ich habe genug! Sie auch, Ich glaube.
This time, I leave you with the assertions, jumping conclusions and whatever else you can fabricate about me. You are an absolutist for what you believe as right and you defend it, by using any possible means and, definitely, not that sort of "honourable expressions" (for your "ends", any "means" can go too). Just think, Vic, whatever you are trying to attribute to me, it can apply to you, in the respective area(s) of application. At least, I am not obsessed with your behaviour, even if it usually affects me. I simply reply to your very (most of the times) aggressive, hostile and (sometimes) indecent attacks, at a very personal level.
As for this brilliant assertion of the "ends justify the means", I just send you back to my almost 500 posts and see by yourself where and when I had to resort to some more aggressive or less "honourable" means. Check the level of my exchanges with Partsong, 33lp, Naupilus, HMV and quite a few others. You used my indirect hint against Chris as evidence of how I use any means, while you ignore (obviously deliberately) the common use of direct personal abusive language between members of these forums (I know by experience too).
Anyway, this forum is not about members exchanging personal considerations about each other. So, I plan to disengage, to the greatest possible extent, any communication with you (I reserve the right to respond, if I keep being attacked, offended and...). I sincerely hope you can do the same.
However, I plan to send my view about this notable clip, if, eventually, I managed to see it. In any case, I owe it to...the thread!..
Aufwieder...
Parla
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 6:21PM
#12
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I leave you with the assertions, jumping conclusions and whatever else you can fabricate about me ...
whatever you are trying to attribute to me, it can apply to you ...
Parla
I will let others decide which of the following are fabrications:
"- he claims "blinkered and obsessive absolutism" as a virtue
in defence of his “cause”;
- he suggests Chris' opinion of something he (Parla) has not seen is evidence of faulty judgement on Chris' part and that will impair future appreciation;
- he claims classical music is evidence of the existence of god;
- he believes that only professionals like himself have the authority - yes, he uses the
word authority - to judge what is great in music;
- he has at least once stolen information to pass off as his own;
- he invents details in a futile attempt to "prove" that record companies sabotage
their reissued catalogue to produce an inferior product;
-he has no sense of irony and affects hurt at humour directed towards him;
- he asserts that music can be evaluated through means other than listening to it;
- he thinks the rape of a child is a suitable analogy for what he sees
as criticism of artistic integrity;
- his posts often ramble into incoherence in desperate attempts at self-justification;
- no statement that has caused shock, disdain or upset has ever elicited regret or
apology;
- by his own admission he eschews reason and logic in defence against the supposed
persecution of (classical-only) great music.
This right-enshrined greatness which only those sanctified by professional
association like his can appreciate, justifies claims to his superiority and every detractor's inferiority."
Qui tacet consentire?
Vic.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 7:14PM
#13
RE: Check this out if you dare.
Fair enough, Vic.
(Provided they will go to trouble - or much more they will be simply interested - to "examine" 500 posts of mine along with some hundreds of yours).
This is a forum about Classical Music, (this is what I read and became a member), not about virtual people, ideas, politics and whatever else may go. I had some very interesting debate (and discourse) on musical subjects, while all my threads have topics on Clasical Music. Anyway, we'll see...
Good night and good luck.
Parla
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 7:51PM
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Dr.Brodsky,I presume?The Phoenix bird rises from the ashes once again.
Mon, Jan 9 2012, 7:58PM
#15
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This thread is an exemplar of why I am leaving Gramophone Forum, and indeed Gramophone, behind.
I just don't have time for the stuck up elitist nonsense on display.
No wonder people turn their backs on the classical music world.
I bet Bernstein, Brendel, Uchida, Lang Lang, Sutherland, Horne, Taddei, Kremer and Bach think / would have thought that the you tube clip rocks!
I think you'll find that all the above mentioned people were old enough to speak for themselves and humble enough not to put words into other peoples mouths. Especially when the word is such a childish utterance as 'it rocks'.