Cheryl Studer
Back in 1996, I directed an hour long Cheryl Studer TV special "Wie es ihr gefaellt" (As She Likes It) for German TV (ZDF). I have fond memories of my time with Cheryl at Interlochen with Irwin Gage, with Solti in Munich, Mehta in Vienna, Sinopoli in Dresden. I am still stunned at the astonishing range of repertoire we filmed with Cheryl all within that one very exciting year, and the ease and calm with which she carried herself, her young family in tow, from challenge to challenge. I am very happy to hear that she has returned to the stage and that a second chapter is under way for this exceptional career.
Michael Bartlett/Portland, Oregon, USA
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I enjoy a bit of 'back of the neck tingle' in Italian opera myself, Troyen, so I've just taken a chance and sent for the Studer Lucia, which I spotted on Amazon at the more than reasonable price of £8. I'll let you know how it goes.
JKH
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You are too kind martin-opera. I searched the net for entries on Ms Studer and I am astonished at the sheer volume of roles she had in her repertoire. Her recorded output doesn't come close. I would like to think the roles she undertook were because of a natural curiosity on her part to expand her repertoire but I think it more likely that producers and record company executives had it in their minds this (then) latest singing sensation could sing anything. She certainly burned brightly during the 1980's and 1990's and then seemed to inexplicably disappear from view during the noughties. If there were vocal difficulties to my ear her recordings don't reveal these in the way that warning signs began to show in Ricciarelli's and Moffo's recordings. Her recording of Lucia was for many years my preferred recording of this work and probably still is - outstandingly sung with clear and meaningful diction. That would be my definition of brilliant (pace parla). Without wishing to add to the spats on this forum (fun though they are to read), I am unclear what parla means when he talks about authority to sing a role. I don't think anyone has authority to sing anything in opera unless the role was written with a particular singer in mind such as Barber's Cleopatra which he wrote for Leontyne Price or Benjamin Britten's compositions for Peter Peers. For most works in the operatic repertory we are too far removed from the original composition to declare with authority what a composer had in mind. We can hypothesise but we don't really know and the limitations of early twentienth century recordings at best only give us a glimpse of singing practices of that period.
Sorry for my tardy response. Unfortunately, I often don't have the time to read and respond to the forum.
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Caballe, you seem to claim that "brilliance" in a performance of Operatic role is outstanding singing and fine diction. Since when diction is a component of "brilliance"? This kind of definition looks more suitable for "excellence". However, in music what counts is a brilliant performance versus quite a few excellent ones. Brilliance transcends and even defies excellence, going to the core of the matter of the music itself. Sutherland with her incredible voice, amazing vocal stamina and a deep research of how the role in question should be sung was most of the time brilliant in her performances, even when her "prowess" was not at her prime. Besides, her more than 40 years of consistent first class (if not always brilliant) singing make her establish a legendary name that very few can defy.
Authority to sing means that certain singers manage to study, research, master and command certain roles in a way that make them "authorised" to sing. Hotter has managed to be Wotan, Nilsson "Walkure", Freni "Mimi", etc. So, Sutherland recreated the era of belcanto more than Mrs. Studer could even try. For La Stupenda, Lucia (and not only) was a signature role, as Norma was for Callas. Can we claim that Cheryl managed to make even one role her own, so that she can be identified with that and had, therefore, the authority to sing (it). As you said very well, Caballe, she was outstanding (with good diction as well, despite this not a musical feature). And that's all!
Parla
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Well as I’ve said before in other posts (it may even be in
this thread, but I can’t be bothered to check) the ranking of singers that some
indulge in holds no interest for me, in contrast to what I find more
illuminating, namely comparing and contrasting singers with a view to a fuller
appreciation of them all. So I’ll leave discussion of Sutherland and Studer to
others.
However, the assertion that good diction is unimportant for
an opera singer or, indeed, is ‘not a musical feature’ is simply ludicrous. Parla,
I doubt if you could produce one singing coach or teacher, still less any of
the singers named in this, nor any composer, who would not have apoplexy at
such a suggestion. I can only charitably assume that something’s been lost in
translation here.
JKH
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You've pinpointed, Parla, one of the main reasons I've never had Sutherland in my top ten. Her diction, particularly in her middle period, sucked. She might as well have been singing vocalise.
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Caballe, you seem to claim that "brilliance" in a performance of Operatic role is outstanding singing and fine diction. Since when diction is a component of "brilliance"? This kind of definition looks more suitable for "excellence". However, in music what counts is a brilliant performance versus quite a few excellent ones. Brilliance transcends and even defies excellence, going to the core of the matter of the music itself. Sutherland with her incredible voice, amazing vocal stamina and a deep research of how the role in question should be sung was most of the time brilliant in her performances, even when her "prowess" was not at her prime. Besides, her more than 40 years of consistent first class (if not always brilliant) singing make her establish a legendary name that very few can defy.
Authority to sing means that certain singers manage to study, research, master and command certain roles in a way that make them "authorised" to sing. Hotter has managed to be Wotan, Nilsson "Walkure", Freni "Mimi", etc. So, Sutherland recreated the era of belcanto more than Mrs. Studer could even try. For La Stupenda, Lucia (and not only) was a signature role, as Norma was for Callas. Can we claim that Cheryl managed to make even one role her own, so that she can be identified with that and had, therefore, the authority to sing (it). As you said very well, Caballe, she was outstanding (with good diction as well, despite this not a musical feature). And that's all!
Parla
To avoid confusion, parla, here is a dictionary definition of the word brilliant.
1. shining brightly; sparkling; glittering; lustrous: the brilliant lights of the city.
2. distinguished; illustrious: a brilliant performance by a young pianist.
3. having or showing great intelligence, talent, quality, etc.: a brilliant technician.
4. strong and clear in tone; vivid; bright: brilliant blues and greens; the brilliant sound of the trumpets.
5. splendid or magnificent: a brilliant social event.
I fail to see where out of these five desciptions Ms Studer was found wanting. When you say brilliance transcends and even defies excellence do you mean "defines" excellence instead of "defies" as that would make more sense?
Good diction is an essential and important feature of performance as singers are not just singing notes, they are usually singing to a text. Don't forget that in opera it is the words which are set to music not the other way round. BTW I didn't mention Sutherland and at no time was I comparing Studer's performance of Lucia with any of Dame Joan's.
I am not convinced by your theme about the authority to sing a role. Freni did not become Mimi, Callas did not become Norma etc. To ones eyes, if they were seen in the theatre, or to ones ears on disc, their interpretations may attain some kind of ideal which is unlikely to be surpassed by other singers, but we delude ourselves if we think an interpretation is anything more than it is.
I accept Ms Studer may not have had a signature role. Does that really matter? A successful artist needs to have multiple roles in their repertoire.
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Brilliance in Art, Caballe, is not defined by dictionaries. It is used by some artists, critics and people in this business to juxtapose an "excellent" (outstanding, by the book, precise) from a "brilliant" (one which transcends the norm and has the unique features and characterized by the spirit of the artist in question) performance. Nowadays, we have plenty of great instrumentalists, soloists, conductors who excel in their art (they are technically impeccable, play very precisely, etc.), but only very few "shine" (their performances become memorable, because of the unique features of their artistry).
I never said diction is not important. I just said it is not a pure musical feature. It is not based in notes, musical training and technique, etc. It's not a part of the actual score. A great voice with solid technique can overcome the problem of diction, but diction itself cannot save the day, even in the actual theatre. So, it's a "plus", a "must", but not the core of the matter.
As for the "Authority to sing", I never implied that Freni "becomes" Mimi or Callas "Norma". I just try to say that, with the full command of their Art, their deep knowledge of the work, their full dedication in mastering their artistry, the artists in question developed a sense of trust to the audience to listen to them with faith and genuine interest. That's why they created quite a few "signature works" (not only one), while the "outstanding" ones they simply perform very well, but they cannot be identified with the role in question.
For clarification purposes from my side only, Caballe.
Parla
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I suggest that you re-read your own post, Parla, because if a particular role is a signature role for a particular singer then, surely, by implication they sign up to it.
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Brilliance in Art, Caballe, is not defined by dictionaries. It is used by some artists, critics and people in this business to juxtapose an "excellent" (outstanding, by the book, precise) from a "brilliant" (one which transcends the norm and has the unique features and characterized by the spirit of the artist in question) performance. Nowadays, we have plenty of great instrumentalists, soloists, conductors who excel in their art (they are technically impeccable, play very precisely, etc.), but only very few "shine" (their performances become memorable, because of the unique features of their artistry).
I never said diction is not important. I just said it is not a pure musical feature. It is not based in notes, musical training and technique, etc. It's not a part of the actual score. A great voice with solid technique can overcome the problem of diction, but diction itself cannot save the day, even in the actual theatre. So, it's a "plus", a "must", but not the core of the matter.
As for the "Authority to sing", I never implied that Freni "becomes" Mimi or Callas "Norma". I just try to say that, with the full command of their Art, their deep knowledge of the work, their full dedication in mastering their artistry, the artists in question developed a sense of trust to the audience to listen to them with faith and genuine interest. That's why they created quite a few "signature works" (not only one), while the "outstanding" ones they simply perform very well, but they cannot be identified with the role in question.
For clarification purposes from my side only, Caballe.
Parla
Well I suppose it's up to you, parla, if you choose to discount a dictionary definition and substitute it with a different interpretation of what a word's meaning is. I beg to differ with you on the question of diction. Try singing "La donna e mobile" or Don Giovanni's toungue twister "Finch'han dal vino" without getting your mouth round the words. It's the words which provide the momentum and character. Without them arias, recitative etc simply become a vocalise. Music colleges invest a significant amount of time delivering language training, coaching and preparing pupils for performance using the score and libretto. Without naming names, we can hear from recordings of certain artists some of that training was never mastered, was forgotten or ignored.
Ranking artists in order of merit can either be fascinating or frustrating. Personally I find it fascinating reading what other people think of an artist and their performance. As you said, parla, many artists are technically impeccable but only a few "shine". Who decides this? Critics? Ourselves? Concensus? Ultimately, I would say we are left to our own judgement, which could be fallible, preferences and a word I gather you don't like, taste.
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Sorry, for coming back to you Caballe, but two clarifications:
It's not me who discount the "dictionaries". The people in the business used it and I have espoused it as quite pertinent. But let me tell you the actual story: Some very good friends and good musicians, critics, etc., years ago, let me listen to a live concert of Shostakovich's first Piano Concerto with the then "Wunderkind" Kissin. The performance was faultless and breathtaking. As I was excited, I exclaimed :"Excellent performance". Then, they asked me to listen to another live performance of the said concerto with Argerich. When it finished, I was speechless by what I had just experienced. Then, one of them told me : "Now you can see the difference between an excellent and a brilliant performance"! In artistic circles, the term "brilliance" signifies the goal that should finally be attained.
Preference and taste cannot play this crucial role about who has achieved greatness or much more which work is great. In Art there are "references", goals and targets that have already been achieved and attained. So, it is a little bit funny to use particularly a word normally and predominantly used for our predilection of food - taste- (which, in any case, even there it doesn't mean the food is great or not, but simply if we like it or not) to claim that this notion plays a pivotal role in justifying who is great in music or generally in Art.
To give you another example of how great composers used to compose, get this story: When Beethoven finished his circle of the "Rasumovsky" String Quartets gave them to the "Schupantzich" (from the first violinist's name) Quartet to study and perform them. After some time Schupantzich came back and complained, in the most civilized way, to the great Meister that the first violin's part was too difficult and "unusual" for the then standards. Then, Beethoven, exploding, he said to him: "Do you think, when I composed my work, I had in mind your wretched fiddle"? So, it is a bit too naive for us to claim what we "like" or "prefer" defines the greatness in Art , when all these composers ignored (with all the possible meanings of the word) our existence, preferences, whims, etc. In Classical Art, we have to attain the already established masterworks, not the other way round.
Good luck, anyway in your further quest.
Parla
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Did I state that Marin was in anyway subtle?
You make, as per usual, so many false assumptions that it is difficult to know where to start.
So Dessay is of the Sutherland school is she? On what basis do you make that brazen statement, the fact that they sing/sung in operas by Bellini and Donizetti?