Deutsche Gramophon

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In my younger and more vulnerable years, when I began my record collecting obsession, DG was synonymous with quality. I collected everything which had a picture of Karajan, Bernstein or Bohm on the cover and quickly became won over by the luscious tones that these giants were able to extract from bases in Berlin, Vienna, New York or Amsterdam. Back then everybody, it seemed, who was anything in music recorded for the yellow label. It was obvious that the company had a sense of pride of its business; it was the ultimate destination for the biggest artists; news on new signings only made it to the main media when DG was a contract signatory; the productions and the packaging were the most slick and glossy in the industry etc.

To this day, the yellow stamp adorns many recordings by the finest artists. Or, adorned. Because it seems to me that DG has lost its way in a serious kind of way. There may be downloads available somewhere but for record collectors the DG brand is almost gone. And with that many great recordings by fine artists such Fricsay, Gilels, Karl Richter, Leitner, Amadeus Quartet, Bohm. Now and again, one reads that DG/Universal 'reafirms' its commitment to recorded classical music by some signing or another but nothing comes of it. Sad that a spot on iTunes eventually became the destiny and resting place for this once illustrious bearer of the classical recording standard.

 

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'Everything that had a picture of Karajan on the cover', well that will be everything he ever did. Have you ever seen a recording of a work with Karajan conducting that didn't have his grinning teutonic mug shot on the front. DG did indeed mean quality, but quality of recording, the quality of the performance had little to do with 'DG', they were there just to record the artists. I wouldn't fall in love too much with companies, fall in love with music by all means, and if you like plaster Karajans grinning teutonic mug shot all over your bedroom walls. However time moves on. Do you know there was once a time before record companies existed and strange though this may seem, music got along just nicely.

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Unfortunately DG harbour some of the finest recordings of the 20th century in its vaults. I was lamenting how these are now lost for the record collector. I'll be happy to discuss Herr K some other time.

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Just so long as you don't do it with me.

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For LP collectors of a certain age, I think it's undeniable that DG succesfully marketed itself as a prestige product and did have a certain perceived cachet, regardless of the content or performers. These are always a matter of personal preference or prejudice, however arrived at and whatever the label. Their boast of 'the most silent surfaces' for their LPs was an inspired piece of marketing, regardless of the truth or even verifiability of the claim.

However, as much as I fondly look back to at least some of the aspects of record collecting in the LP era, things move on. The thrill of anticipation at the announcement of a studio recorded opera set (I well remember the eager anticipation that awaited the Giulini/Domiingo Trovatore, for example) is also long gone. It's prohibitively expensive to record in this way these days. But who would have thought, 25 years ago, that we would have such an abundance of well-recorded, invaluable live performances available in sound and vision?

I remember the absolute paucity of recordings of historical singers available when I started collecting. Now you can hardly name a singer whose entire output, including the most obscure performances, hasn't been released in some form or another.

The DG recordings of the past aren't lost to us, any more than those of any other label's back catalogue. When it becomes a commercial proposition to release those that are temporarily unavailable, they'll be released. What format they take is not something that overly concerns me (provided quality is preserved or enhanced) and there will undoubtedly be media and replay methods as yet undreamt of which I hope I'm around to see.

And yes, let's leave HvK out of it for now!

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Compared to the decline of the level of Classical Music in general and the performers and labels in particular, DG is not doing that bad, even nowadays.

The standards of its productions are still quite high, the rostrum of the soloists (Grimaud, Boulez, Domingo, Lang Lang, Wang, Ott, Maisky, Hahn, Abbado, VPO, BPO, etc) is not bad at all, compared let's say with EMI, RCA or SONY which have almost vanished. Philips, such an historic label, is already defunct, while DECCA is only a ghost of what used to be in the 50's, 60's and 70's (the true hero among the labels worldwide).

What we have to lament is the Music which is loosing its worth, meaning, value and purpose. Along with that the rest follows. The only hope I still see lies in some very good independent labels, specialised in either Chamber or Baroque or Early Music, etc. with the very few truly great artists of these fields. Otherwise, there is the well known recycling of the good "old stuff" but, in very few cases, in worthy recreations, due to the decline in the economy and the...markets as well...Pity!

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I had a friend, long dead, who, although he worked for EMI, swore by DGG (Deutsche Grammophon Gesselschaft) and collected all their discs of, mainly, Bach.

Universal is poorly named as it is anything but and now it seems likely that it will swallow up the recording arm of EMI as well which means the huge back catalogues of four major labels, Decca, Philips, DG and EMI will, for the most part, remain unavailable.

Out of copyright copies, taken from pristine vinyl pressings are no substitute for the original mastertape or disc, by Naxos and others no matter how skilful the transfer, sadly.

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But isn't what has happened to DG merely a symptom of what has happened across a number of classical music labels since the early/mid-2000s?

I seem to recall that among the roster of luminaries dropped by DG have been Trevor Pinnock (and again, to me his is a name synonymous with period instrument quality), and John Eliot Gardiner. I don't remember bitter remarks from Pinnock but I do remember seeing Gardiner quoted as saying something like the label weren't interested in musicians unless they could be photographed in a wet bikini.

While this is sad, some good has come from it. Both TP and JEG have started their own labels which -- I believe -- are doing well and are recording some of their best work. In Pinnock's case he has returned to solo harpsichord recording, which has to be good news.

Interestingly -- and I wish I could locatethe interview -- JEG said that the thing he most regrets about the collapse of some of the major labels is that the process of recording in the finest studios will in the future be unknown to many musicians as cheaper in-concert live recordings replace the immense costs of the best studios. Studio recording skills were something, he said, that he had been lucky to learn during a period when that medium was the norm.

 

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I'm sure Karajan would have been up for being photographed in a wet bikini.

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DGG is a prime example of a company that failed to adapt to a changing world. They lost their main star (like him or not, HVK was their star) and they made the transition from vinyl to cd poorly. Producing scads of fine-sounding lps in the analogue era, it took them eons to get the hang of digital. DG recordings of the late 70s and into the 80s are often a disaster and their own transfers from analogue to digital were amateurish. They kept re-releasing their analogue stock under fancy new titles - Privilege, Galleria etc., claiming state-of-the-art remastering and none of them could stand comparison with the original lps. It took Decca a while too, but at least they started out closer to success and finally achieved it with their 96khz 24 bit Legend series.

Then there's DGG marketing, an oxymoron if ever there was one. Other posters have described their image of 50 years ago pretty accurately. Buy it or not, they marketed themselves as a full-price, high-quality, glossy mainstream outfit appealing to the centre of the classical music buying public. As far as I can make out anything about their current direction they're a kind of jack-of-all-trades, and master of none. Troll through reviews, professional and otherwise on places like Amazon or in the press, and you'll come across many examples of DGG inefficiency and ineffectiveness, none of them major in themselves but all adding up to a company that's poorly directed and doesn't know what it's doing. Perhaps one or two examples:

They put out the Netrebko/Pappano Pergolesi disc without an text but with a link to the text on their website. Which didn't work. It took me half an hour to find that text, during which time I formed a none too complimentary opinion of their site design. OK, lousy websites aren't rare. But they're always indicative of companies who fail to imagine themselves in their customers' shoes.

They put out an exciting triple disc package of Golijov's Pasion Segun San Marcos, two cds and a dvd. Nice idea eh? How difficult would it have been to put subtitles on the dvd for those of us less than fluent in Spanish, Latin, Aramaic and Kaddish? They didn't. Again, not the biggest deal in the world but symptomatic of a company that doesn't get it, and seems not to care that it doesn't. 

A sobering experience for those of us who've been on the planet one or two years, is the sight of people, companies, even countries you thought had their acts very much together, going down the toilet. DGG look to me like they're on their second swirl round the bowl.

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I agree with previous posts. DGG made some good recordings - and marketed them extremely well. In retrospect, maybe they weren't always quite as superior as portrayed.

Then in a few years, not just HvK, but Bohm, Bernstein, Kempff and several other big performers died. In addition, the market changed, mostly shrinking and shifting downwards.

My HvK Sibelius 4 doesn't have a picture of him on the cover. In the early '70s DG had some cracking sleeve designs.

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In an earlier time I used to think record labels were important and gave some security in terms of quality. Now, a few years on I seem to worry more about the music recorded more than anything else.

That said, I am looking forward to Hilary Hahn's recording of the Ives Violin Sonatas and miss the 20/21 series, which was fun to dip into on a regular basis. If you have ever tried to decode the sleeve notes on a 'col legno' release the lucidity of 20/21 notes is refreshing!

Sleeves notes - now there is the subject for another thread!

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Right on all counts, Phlogiston. Both as a conductor and composer, Bernstein/DGG were a good combo back in the day. Why on earth they haven't released the Barbican 'On the Town' on dvd is one of their many marketing mysteries. VHS tape and cd were both excellent, and quite different. On dvd they have an opportunity to combine both if they ever get their act together.

The post about HVK on DGG sleeves was concerned more with effect than fact. As you point out their record covers in the 60s were mostly superb - the Sibelius symphonies, La Mer, the Mendelssohn symphonies, Prokofiev 5, on and on. In fact the only covers I can recall showing his photo were the Beethoven symphonies, moody black and white photos, HVK in the ubiquitous black turtleneck. Compact disc covers in the 70s and on were a different matter, mostly photos of performers. But I suspect that was generally a matter of economy or convenience.