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I'm tempted to order at least a couple of them. The Gieseking and the Richter Hybrid SACDs in particular!

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Got the Klemperer/Mozart set today. Sound is very good and lavish presentation but EMI have made serious errors in the documentation; they inexplicably credit the New Philharmonia with the 'Entfuhrung' overture despite producing pictures of the original LP sleeves confirming that all these recordings are by the original Philharmonia and pre-date the New Phil by a couple of years. They say that Symphony 40 is Klemperer's second recording from1962 whereas the timings correspond exactly with his 1956 version which I already have and to which Richard Osborne solely refers in his sleeve notes. The recording date for Symphony 39 is out by exactly 6 years (OK made an earlier version of that also in '56 but not until later in that year- I assume the recording is the later one but who knows by now!) and the Linz is said to be first published in 1976; clearly nonsense. In a set relies heavily on meticulous restoration of classic recordings with photos of original tapes and documentation this is shoddy and undermines faith in the whole project.

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You are right, Promenader, on almost all of your observations.

I can stick to the sound which is really impressive for what one has to expect from such rather old recordings.

Klemperer on Mendelssohn sounds also impressively good, while Beethoven's Triple along with the Double Concerto and the Violin Concerto by Brahms with Oistrach, Richter, Rostropovich under Karajan and Szell respectively sounds also very refreshingly "new" .

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Just ordered the Schuricht's Bruckner's 8th & 9th: praised by many brucknerians and I suppose this is one of the best of the lot. Been waiting long for those recordings to get back to the catalogue. SACD sound will be a bonus (gonna rip them anyway).

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promenader wrote:

Got the Klemperer/Mozart set today. Sound is very good and lavish presentation but EMI have made serious errors in the documentation; they inexplicably credit the New Philharmonia with the 'Entfuhrung' overture despite producing pictures of the original LP sleeves confirming that all these recordings are by the original Philharmonia and pre-date the New Phil by a couple of years. They say that Symphony 40 is Klemperer's second recording from1962 whereas the timings correspond exactly with his 1956 version which I already have and to which Richard Osborne solely refers in his sleeve notes. The recording date for Symphony 39 is out by exactly 6 years (OK made an earlier version of that also in '56 but not until later in that year- I assume the recording is the later one but who knows by now!) and the Linz is said to be first published in 1976; clearly nonsense. In a set relies heavily on meticulous restoration of classic recordings with photos of original tapes and documentation this is shoddy and undermines faith in the whole project.

Hi Promenader. I feel rather dismayed about all of the errors that you've mentioned. I'm trying to figure out how they could have gotten so much so wrong since they would have had the original liner notes! Would you say that there is enough of a difference soundwise to warrant the purchase of these new Hybrid SACDs? Or only get them if you don't currently own them on CD?

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parla wrote:

You are right, Promenader, on almost all of your observations.

I can stick to the sound which is really impressive for what one has to expect from such rather old recordings.

Klemperer on Mendelssohn sounds also impressively good, while Beethoven's Triple along with the Double Concerto and the Violin Concerto by Brahms with Oistrach, Richter, Rostropovich under Karajan and Szell respectively sounds also very refreshingly "new" .

Parla

Hi Parla. Would you say that it's worth the added cost to purchase these Hybrid SACDs? I'm assuming here that you already owned the ones that you've mentioned on CD.

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78RPM wrote:

Just ordered the Schuricht's Bruckner's 8th & 9th: praised by many brucknerians and I suppose this is one of the best of the lot. Been waiting long for those recordings to get back to the catalogue. SACD sound will be a bonus (gonna rip them anyway).

Hi 78RPM. So, have these recordings been "Not available" for some time? Hope that you enjoy them in any rate.

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I think so, Petra. My previous searches were all in vain. Those recordings are from the early 60s and, if I mistake not, the last EMI edition was from early 90s (CZS 767 279 2). It seems they were available at ArkivMusic, but then.....

Talking about Schuricht's recordings, there's another, now deleted, that I am looking for (or waiting for): Brahms' 4th Symphony w/ BRSO, originally on Adès.

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Hi Promenader. I feel rather dismayed about all of the errors that you've mentioned. I'm trying to figure out how they could have gotten so much so wrong since they would have had the original liner notes! Would you say that there is enough of a difference soundwise to warrant the purchase of these new Hybrid SACDs?

Petra yes if they are particularly favourite recordings I think so. My motivation  for the Klemperer/Mozart was because it's nice to have all the original artwork especially if you once owned the original LPs! If I'd known EMI were going to spoil the presentation with these errors including using the 'wrong' recording of K550 -although it's better than the remake I already have the earlier one-I probably wouldn't have bothered. I'm going to post separately about another aspect of this set shortly which may be of interest!

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Another odd aspect of the Klemperer/ Mozart reissues is the mysterious case of the missing 'Turkish' percussion in the Entfuhrung Overture! I don't remember this being a problem on the original LP (it would be surprising for a Legge supervised recording) but it remains virtually inaudible. This was first commented on in Gramophone in the August 76 issue when the Klemperer/Mozart recordings were gathered in a box set for the first time. Subsequent CD issues failed to resolve the problem but one would have thought that the new exhaustive re-mastering process from original sources described in the Signature presentation book would have done the trick.

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thank you for this comment on EMI policy for SACD release. I'm still waiting they will one day release the Karajan recordings made for EMI in the 70' (the SIbelius for example).....The release of some recordnigs from EMI Japan (Klemperer, Oïstrakh, Gieseking, ...) are the frist step for a new EMI policy regarding SACD.