Forgotten CDs

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Hello all,

In my CD-shelfs, I sometimes find a CD that I haven't played for years. It's a bit a "forgotten CD". There have been so many CD's produced with classical music the past 27 years, I guess that every classical music fan has a couple of CD's he has forgotten about. And sometimes it is a small delight to hear it back again.

It's 1995, and classical CD's are still mass produced. DG brings out this CD:

 

How many copies have been sold? How many still linger around in a CD collection? How many times will this CD sound to the world?

Do you have similar CD's? CD's you recently found back? What do you think of that CD now?

 

Rolf 

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Funnily enough, I have that CD and haven't played it for years though I seem to recall rather enjoying it first time round! It's a shame that the Bastille/Chung relationship went spectacularly pear-shaped because he was creating a fine and distinctive orchestra – with a nicely "French" quality. (On the subject of Symphonie fantastiques when I was compiling the latest Gramophone Classical Music Guide this time last year I was surprised to discover that Marc Minkowski's DG recording with its fascinating blend of old and new instruments had also fallen under the deletion axe! And that performance was Mike Ashman's choice in a "Gramophone Collection". It is of course now available as a download.) 

Minkowski's Berlioz

Rolf, I'd not be the slightest bit surprised if dozens of such CDs were mentioned in this context. My own "Damascus moment" came in the late 1980s when I was looking at a Decca recording schedule and noticed that Richard Strauss's Alpine Symphony was being recorded on the same day for the same label by two different combinations – the SFSO and Blomstedt and the Cleveland Orchestra and Ashkenazy. I remember thinking at the time that this did not bode well. And where is either recording now? 

 

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Rolf, I know this is not the place but I just wanted to say a quick thanks for your posting of Nielsen's first symphony on the old Docent site. Tremendous performance under Jenson that puts every modern rival in the shade. Did he record the other 5 symphonies? Do you have them available for download?

best regards, Barry

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James J., copies of Decca's R. Strauss/Alpine are resting comfortably on one of my CD library shelves along with H.B.'s earlier Denon/Strauss recordings with Dresden.  Best, Hal. 

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Hello Barry,

Unfortunately, my soundcard is broken, and I have no time to fix it. My new job is very time consuming, still have to finish my PhD, so at the moment no more new transfers... There are some more Nielsen Lp's on the European Archive, but the sound quality there will stay a problem for a while. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXyg7z6V-9o&fmt=18

There are some serious budget problems, and new transfers done with some professionalism (cleaning a record first, fi...) are on a hold. 

Some of my old transfers are still online, like the magical Helene Boschi (piano teacher of Piotr Anderszewski ) In Mozart's 22nd piano concerto:

http://homepages.ipact.nl/~otterhouse/

On the Dutch radio 4 site, there still are some other transfers. The blogs are in Dutch, but at the bottom of the page are the mp3's (and music is an international language :) 

http://old.radio4.nl/page/blog/6453/79

http://old.radio4.nl/page/blog/6053/40

http://old.radio4.nl/page/blog/6826/40

http://old.radio4.nl/page/blog/7173/40

http://old.radio4.nl/page/blog/5597/79

 

Greetings,

Rolf den Otter

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Hello James,

Did you know that the Minkowski Symphonie Fantastique is now available from Brilliant Classics? On the strength of your recommendation (and Mike Ashman) I bought it today from an Amazon market seller for £4.85.

Good luck with the re-launch. 

 

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Torontonian, I hope you enjoy it (though at £4.85 it's not a huge deficit if you don't!). I just got out my DG copy and must say it does really have the spirit of "new discovery" about it. (I've also just played Gardiner's Harold in Italy – similarly thrilling Berlioz conducting – but that's another story!) 

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LoL, just found this website with intriguing name:

http://www.forgottenrecords.com/

Some interesting stuff there... Including the pioneering Mahler 6 recording by Eduard Flipse.

Rolf

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Thank you, Rolf, for identifying the French Forgotten CD site. While I am not planning to buy any of their advertised recordings, I was able to finally determine when an LP I bought in New York in 1962 was recorded. The Record Hunter in mid-town Manhattan was having a sale on deleted Concert Hall discs and I bought the recording of the three Arriaga String Quartets shown at the top of the second page of the site. The LP although recorded monaurally in 1950 is very musical, and I still listen to it occasionally. As I recall it was among the first few LPs I bought in the US after having arrived from the UK in August of 1982. Concert Hall discs were not that well pressed and tended to be noisy.

On a final note, a very brief additional exploration of the site disclosed that are many other wonderful musical recordings listed in the Forgotten catalogue which have not been available since the 1950's and 1960's. Irvine Shamrock.

 

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Concert hall/mms had some very distinguished artists like Ricardo Odnoposoff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXa94wddQbk&fmt=18

The Pascal quartet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOEUJf_Y8yw&fmt=18

and Peter Rybar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CRu4tb6qc&fmt=18

 

Rolf

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One of the great joys of the digital era is the ability to rip all your CDs onto a hard drive and allow your player to randomly select tracks for you.

Whilst I would only occasionally wish to do this, the shock of re-discovery when you do is thrilling. Recently I was experimenting with my new Oppo BDP83 multi-media player and decided to connect a hard drive full of music. I hit the random selection and a wonderful succession of unexpected (and long dormant) music issued forth in crystal clear sound. When I checked my Squeezebox, there was the same feature, which has since been used rather a lot.

Of course we will mostly sit down to listen to a specific recording but, when undecided, I will so often find myself selecting the same favourite group of GROCs (apologies to EMI) - at the moment Janet Baker singing Gondelfahrer, Jessye singing Befreit, Richter's Chopin Scherzos, Lupu's late Brahms, Horenstein's Mahler 8 - endlessly. Also it would be quite tiresome to be presented with bleeding chunks of opera interspersed with variation sections and symphonic index points. But the trick is to allow your ear to be captured by something once-loved but forgotten and switch to normal play to hear out the rest of the piece.

I'm sure a great number of us have thousands of recordings and probably only listen to a fraction of them. Rip them onto disk and liberate the music from your shelves!!! 

 

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With thousands of recordings there are always surprises to be had - sometimes as a result of children randomly pulling out a disc. 

More recently I have had the problem of suddenly remembering a "forgotten CD" and then being unable to find the disc.  Jordi Savall's Charpentier "Canticum Ad Beatam Virginem Mariam" was the latest.  No idea where the CD is hiding, but I was able to find it and download it from eMusic which will suffice until the disc reappears.

Of course the revealation of "forgotten CDs" rediscovered can be disappointing.  You load a disc you found superb years ago only to find that with the passage of time you are not so sure what the fuss was all about - perhaps the solution is to put it away for another few years and try again?

Richard

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I came across a truly forgotten cd last week -- the Tebaldi/Di Stefano Forza conducted by Santini.  It was so forgotten, I couldn't even remember buying it.  I did remember listening to it at a friend's house one evening.  Then I remembered that he leant it to me.  Now I remember -- this is his forgotten cd!!!  And he's since moved to Chicago!

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otterhouse wrote:

LoL, just found this website with intriguing name:

http://www.forgottenrecords.com/

Some interesting stuff there... Including the pioneering Mahler 6 recording by Eduard Flipse.

Rolf

Thanks for the link, just ordered Mendelssohn Overtures, Carl Schuricht conducting The
Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. 

Possibly the first classical lp I bought.   Decca Ace of Clubs.  Cost 10s
6d.(52 p) if my memory serves me right.


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Picking up the new cover CD this morning  I noticed the excerpt from the CD of the Month -Anima Eterna/Immerseel- and having been intrigued by the review put it on. Expecting to be shocked and disturbed by a revolutionary new sound I wasn't. I enjoyed the open clear sound of the orchestra, tempo a little steady perhaps, in fact it all sounded quite familiar; what did it remind me of? Or perhaps who? Then in a flash it came -Klemperer! Sure enough his 1963 recording was still on the shelves and the booklet notes referred to the contemporary concert reviews; clarity, attention to detail within firm overall grip etc etc. So I played the same movement and -Fantastique-in fact a little more exciting than Immerseel I thought!     

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This can happen if you don't regularly weed your collection.