Havergal Brian symphonies

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Hi folks.

The mention of a performance of The Gothic at this year's proms has set me off on a search again for one of my favourite neglected British composers.

I remember years ago when I was at school listening to Brian's 10 and 21 on Unicorn - the first commercial recording of his symphonies scandalously left, as the Gramophone reviewer said, to an amateur orchestra.

There was a lso a really good coupling of 6 and 16 on Lyrita - two very compressed, and in my opinion quite original, works.

Alas the only CD I have is a double EMI classics of Brian's 7 8 9 and 31. Recordings from the 70's and 80's - Groves/Mackerras and the Royal Liverpool Phil.

So can anyone recommend any more recent recordings on CD that are out there in the musical ether? Any favourites?

Hats off to Calum McDonald who brought out a trilogy of books on Brian's symphonic oeuvre and who has done a great deal to establish him as a worthy symponist but I only have volume three.

Anyone new to Brian - you ought to try him - craggy, eccentric, wonderfully British symponist!

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Hello, Partsong!

I'm a Dutch member of the Havergal Brian Society and your post was pointed out to me on Facebook by someone on this forum, because he knows Brian is my favourite composer...

You ask for recommendations? Well, the best CD since the Lyrita (IMO) has just come out on Dutton - Symphonies 10, 31, the Concerto for Orchestra and English Suite No. 3. The sound is unbelievably good and to hear that Tenth played by the Scottisch National Orchestra under Martyn Brabbins is as moving as it is enlightening. Any Brian-lover should own this.

Toccata Classics is also bringing out two CDs with 1) early and late orchestral works (already issued) and 2) music from Brian's operas (I am really looking forward to that one!)

Among all the Naxos CDs, I'd say - the 'Gothic'; then the one with the Violin Concerto; and the CD with symphonies 11 and 15 and two tone-poems.

Let's leave it at that, for the time being... Oh, I'll be present at the performance of the 'Gothic', of course. A once-in-a-lifetime experience.

All the best.

Johan, in Delft, The Netherlands

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There is also the Sir Adrian Boult live performance of October 30, 1966 at the Royal Albert Hall on two Testament CDs.  The composer was present.  I prefer this performance to the one on Naxos, although the sound may not be as good.  Alos on the CD is a short interview with Brian by the BBC.

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Many thanks Johan and Bliss. I will look into these - it might be time I joined the HB society myself Johan!

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Thanks for reminding me, Bliss - yes, the Boult performance on Testament is another must-have. Boult has a firmer grip than Lenard, though the sound is indeed more restricted. That's why the two performances complement each other perfectly. I can't wait to hear what Brabbins will be making of 'The Gothic'. Judging by his Dutton recording, he might well become to Brian what Beecham was to Delius... But we'll have to be patient. And Partsong - becoming a member of the HBS is an excellent way of supporting Brian's progress in the world, apart from getting books and CDs at reduced prices.

All the best!

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With a nice typo in the last line (it's the Grauniad, after all). But still - terrific!

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/09/in-praise-of-haverga...

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Yes I saw that article in yesterday's Guardian. Incredible that The Gothic sold out within hours. There are obviously a lot more Brian devotees out there than I thought!

 

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I was delighted to learn this and I like to think the sell out of the Gothic shows that audiences are crying out for works from the 20th century that are rarely or never performed, because concert organisers are convinced that nobody wants to hear anything other than Tchaikovsky, Beethoven or Mahler, and are unwilling to take what they perceive as the financial risk. Well no financial risk anywhere to be seen in this summer´s performance of the Gothic, so please to whom it may concern can we have a moratorium on the old warhorses, they are great, but they have had a fair shake. As someone who has never lived in one of the great classical music cities of the world, I am overjoyed and saddened to say that in two days I am going to see my first live performance of the Rite of Spring, this after having attended concerts for decades. Surely this has to change, and I really hope that the success of the Gothic will lead to us seeing on our concert programmes more and more Holmboe, Rubbra, Gerhard, Martinu; Ginastera, Malipiero; Sessions; Petrassi; Simpson, Ruders, the list goes on and on.

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Yes, I think there are more Brian lovers out there than you think, people who have discovered his music on their own and liked what they heard. It is also true that The Gothic has 'blockbuster quality', and that must have drawn many non-Brianic and just curious punters in, too. Nevertheless, the RAH is sold out, and that must give some concert organisers pause. It is high time indeed programming became more adventurous.

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I'd also like to put in a word for the original recording of no.10 by the Leicestershire Schools Symphony Orchestra under James Loughran, the first ever commercial Brian recording.  Although Martyn Brabbins's new one is very fine, I don't think it displaces the old Leicestershire one, student playing and 1970s recording notwithstanding.  Loughran is generally closer to Brian's metronome marks and (to my humble ears) sometimes manages to express more of the score's sheer strangeness and mystery.  The record also includes the only version of no.21, another favourite of mine, with a great slow movement.  No longer available, needless to say - LPs often turn up on eBay, CDs very rarely, and generally sell for high prices.

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DaveF, I share your admiration for the LSSO recording of symphonies 10 & 21 and I also agree with your verdict that Martyn Brabbins' interpretation doesn't supersede James Loughran's. Both are necessary. I almost wish for a third recording that combines the best aspects of both...

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Thanks to the above for reminding me of the Unicorn recording of #s 10 & 21.  I pulled it out to play and discovered that I also had a CBS Classics LP issued in England in 1975 of Symphony #22, Psalm 23, and the English Suite #5 recorded by the LSSO.  Laszlo Heltay conducts the first two works, Eric Pinkett the third.  Malcolm MacDonald wrote the extensive liner notes.  Now to play them.............

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Interesting stuff! To think that some of you actually have the original vinyl by the LSSO and Loughran. Wow! I took it out of the school library when I was in the sixth-form back in the late seventies and thought - who is this composer? My music master also leant me the scores published by Musica Viva, and I was astonished that he had those as well!I have to admit I do not know the Brabbins version. The Lyrita 6 and 16 was available from my local library at the time.

I managed to track down ONE cd yesterday by making a trip to Manchester HMV - Johan/Jezetha/Bliss et al it is the Naxos recording of symphonies 17 and 32. Listened to 17 last night - very stirring stuff. There is real fluidity and transformatuion of the basic thematic material - the performance - RTE under Adrian Leaper - is very decent indeed and the recording has good enough presence - the brass in particular sound quite warm. Tonight for 32!

Thanks to all - keep the comments coming in and recommendations.

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Partsong

 

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Interesting stuff! To think that some of you actually have the original vinyl by the LSSO and Loughran. Wow! I took it out of the school library when I was in the sixtgh-form back in the late seventie and thought - who is this composer? My music master also leant me the scores published by Musica Viva, and I was astonished that he had those as well!I have to admit I do not know the Brabbins version. The Lyrita 6 and 16 was available from my local library at the time.

I managed to track down ONE cd yesterday by making a trip to Manchester HMV - Johan/Jezetha/Bliss et al it is the Naxos recording of symphonies 17 and 32. Listened to 17 last night - very stirring stuff. There is real fluidity and transformatuion of the basic thematic material - the performance - RTE under Adrian Leaper - is very decent indeed and the recording has good enough presence - the brass in particular sound quite warm. Tonight for 32!

Thanks to all - keep the comments coming in and recommendations.

Regards

 

Partsong

 

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Hello, Partsong.

 

Well, a friend of mine still has the LP of 10 & 21, I own a CD which Unicorn-Kanchana issued in 1990. I think we got to know Brian around roughly the same time, the late 'seventies. I was very fortunate in that the Amsterdam Public Library was so well-stocked then, with many books on British composers. They must have had a librarian there with a marked predilection... I have four Musica Viva scores (8, 10, 21, 22), bought them from Graham Hatton in 1984, if I remember correctly.

 

I am glad you liked No. 17. It's among my favourites - compact and imaginative. It also, as Malcolm MacDonald rightly says, shares some of the abstract atmosphere of the later Concerto for Orchestra, which we now all can listen to thanks to the splendid new Dutton CD, which I really urge you to acquire (online, if needs be, saves you a trip, too!), as it is so very very good. Brian's final symphony, No. 32, although written when he was 92, still has energy and invention. He really was an extraordinary artist.

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Last night I played both LPs by the LSSO.  I was amazed at the fine sound and surface on the CBS Classics LP, and then disappointed by the sound and surface on the Unicorn.  Both LPs were recorded a year or two apart and both had the same engineer.  The CBS  plays at a lower volume than the Unicorn which keeps down the surface noise.  By the way, the Symphony #22 is 9 minutes long, hence its title "Symphonia Brevis."  Psalm 23 was written in 1901.  Brian lost the score in 1920 but was able to reconstruct it in 1945.  It was not performed until 1973 (by the LSSO & Brighton Festival Chorus under Heltay).  They then made the CBS recording.  English Suite No. 5 was written in 1953 but not performed until 1973 when the recording was made by the LSS0.

Does anyone know if the CBS LP ever made it to CD?  I should also add that the three works on that LP are among the most enjoyable and approachable of Brian's music that I have heard.  My favorite though is the 6th Symphony, "Symphonia Tragica."

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