Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Tue, Apr 6 2010, 9:23PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
[quote=Pursuivant]
Bliss said the following
"I have the two Bohm recordings of the 4th in only the 78 & LP format (Decca for the LP) but I think both recordings are available on CD, but the VPO version is the one to seek out"
Agree about the superb VPO version but does my memory serve me correctly that in the 78 version it was necessary to play the side containing the Scherzo of No.4 both both before and after the trio in order to provide the repeat because that Scherzo section appeared on only one of the sides (maybe round-about side 15)? While you are at it, do you also have the contemporary 78s of Bohm's No.5 and was the same true of that Scherzo?
Hi Pursuivant, You are correct. I have the RCA presssings of 78s of the 4th, 5th (Bohm conducting both) and the 9th (von Hausegger conducting).Side 10 of the 4th (in the automatic play album - DM331) has to be played twice, altho there is no mention of this in the notes or record label. Regarding #5, I have the manual play album - M771. The
Scherzo is on side 11 and part of side 12. The only clue to play side 11 again is the label on side 12 which reads "Scherzo Trio (Scherzo da capo)"The 9th, on DM627, is more specific. The notes tell the reader to read the label and play the Scherzo twice. Side 8 reads that the Scherzo on side 7 should be replayed.
Wed, Apr 7 2010, 10:10PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
I have the excellent Teldec recording of the original version of the 4th with
Eliahu Inbal and the Frankfurt RSO. This is quite fascinating, and so vastly different from the familiar version as to be virtaully a different symphony which just happens to use some of the same thematic material.
There is a completely different scherzo instead of the famous one which is supposed to depict hunting. This is part of Inbal's Bruckner cycle, which uses the original versions of each symphony and also includes the Samale/Mazucca version of the finale to the 9th. Curiously, this was originally issued along with the 5th, instead of with the 9th symphony.
The Inbal cycle, complete or in a box,may be difficult to find, but is well-worth looking for.
Wed, Apr 7 2010, 10:12PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Correction: I meant to say that the Inbal cycle may be hard to find either in a box or issued separately.
Wed, May 5 2010, 6:55AM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
I think Bohm's 3rd with VPO on Decca should also get a mention as one of the most successful individual Bruckner symphony recordings. I am also deeply impressed by Wand's live recording of 9th with Stuttgart RSO which was released on Profil.
Wed, May 5 2010, 10:14PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Don't forget the great Rafel Kubelik on Audite, for an excellent 3rd, and also the one from Gunter Wand's "LIVE RECORDINGS" series, RCA.
Thu, May 6 2010, 4:44PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Okay, how about this?
For the Eighth: Wand & the Berlin PO, Barenboim & the Chicago SO (both Hass), Welser-Most w/ the Mahler Youth Orchestra (EMI - Novak).
For the Ninth: Giulini & the Vienna PO, Barenboim & the Berlin PO, Horenstein and the London SO
For the Seventh: Karajan and the Vienna PO
For the Fifth: Jochum and the Concertgebouw (last recording re-issued by Tahra), Welser-Most and the London PO.
For the Third: Simone Young with the Hamberg PO (1873 version), Karajan and the Berlin PO (1889 version), Bohm w/ the Vienna PO (1889 version).
For the Second: Chailly w/ the Concertgebouw (Hass), Karajan with the Berlin PO (Hass with some edits), Stein with the Vienna PO (Hass)
For the Sixth: Stein with the Vienna PO, Lopes-Cobos w/ the Cincinnati SO.
For the Fourth: Barenboim w/ the Chicago SO, Wand w/ the Berlin PO, Jochum w/ the Berlin PO
For the First: Solti w/ the Chicago SO, Karajan w/ the Berlin PO
For No. O: Barenboim w/ the Chicago SO, Solti w/ the Chicago SO
I know I'm going to illicit disagreements for my list of favorites re. the Bruckner symphonies. But I feel these great conductors and their wonderful orchestras really do get to the very heart and soul of this great Austrian. Enjoy!!
Dave.
Thu, May 6 2010, 9:56PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
I would also like to add Celibidache/Munich PO 6th to the list of great Bruckner recordings. The slow movement in particular is simply breathtaking and the rest is just as well.
Thu, May 6 2010, 10:07PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
In the end, even if there are other excellent performances of the Symphony, almost everybody agrees that Giulini's VPO 9 recording is such a great, special achievement (I mean, not considering just the 9th, but taking on account any recording of any Bruckner symphony). In the same highest league, with its logical sonic limitations, Furtwangler's 1944. Of course I'm not trying to compare them, but regardless personal tastes these two seem to be widely acknowledged as "crème de la crème" interpretations.
Thanks everybody in the post for opening my years.
J.
PS: but do not forget Wand's 8th Lubeck Cathedral !!!. Oops
Tue, May 11 2010, 6:44PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
"The slow movement in particular is simply breathtaking."
Aren't all of Celi's movements slow? Just kidding.
Fri, Jul 16 2010, 4:17PM
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Hi jlp, message #27:
Yes, the "high octane" Bruckner 9 with Furtwaengler is, and has long been, available on DG. It is now in a WF box on that label, but has been available c/w the 7th in the past.
Hope you enjoy it.
Karafan
Sun, Jul 18 2010, 2:09AM
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Bruckner 9 Karajan/BPO 1966 (DG) that Edward Greenfield liked so much?
Mon, Jul 19 2010, 12:39PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Very few seem to mention Klemperer (Philharmonia/EMI), I like his account of the 4th, which he takes very quickly unlike his Beethoven and Mahler cycle where he is often accused of being slow. As for his 6th, I prefer the original LP to the CD which seems to sound very congested.
Mon, Jul 19 2010, 8:59PM
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Still trying to find Furt's 9. In the meantime, I've been enjoying very much for the last month Giulini. Another one that has been very near to my CD player this month is Blomstedt's 7 (thanks BLISS !!!, # 1).
Thank you all. J.
Tue, Jul 20 2010, 1:13PM
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RE: Individual Bruckner Symphonies
Hi Hector - Furtwaengler's 1944 BPO Bruckner 9th is available in an excellently remastered M&A set: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-Symphonies-Wilhelm-Furtwangler/dp/B0012XIGZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1279631293&sr=8-1
or in DG's box: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Furtw%C3%A4ngler-50th-anniversary-album-Wilhelm/dp/B0002ANRZS/ref=sr_1_39?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1279631550&sr=1-39
Hope that helps.
Karafan
Dear Brucknerians:
Having acquainted with several recordings (listen to them as much as possible), and taking on account your helpful opinions, I guess is my turn regarding favorite recordings. I don't have an opinion, yet, of nrs. 1, 2 & 6, nor I have specifically make distinctions about different ed. (Nowak, Haas, etc). Of course my opinion is primarily based on performances themselves and not sonic quality (even though I must say that, as far as I'm concerned, in this kind of music very good sound allows one to hear "everything"):
3) Wand (part of his "Complete Live Recordings" Series with the NDR)
4) Abbado VPO, Wand BPO
5) Sinopoli
7) Bohm DG, Blomstedt Staatskapelle
8) Wand Lubeck (I couldn't get the Giulini, it must be terrific)
9) Giulini DG, Furtwangler Live 1944
I invite the ones that didn't specifically mention their favorites, to post them. Just trying to collect the best individual CD's. And the winner is.....
Best. J.