mozart double and triple piano concertos

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What recordings are currently available of the double and triple concertos, preferably on one or two cd's?

Is the old Nonesuch one featuring Alfred Brendel et al available on cd?

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From the current ones, I truly love and appreciate the one on BIS (in excellent SACD sound) with Brautigam and Lubimov on Fortepiano. They play the double concerto in the two versions, the second with the "heavier" orchestration with trumpets and timpani!

With modern piano, there is a decent performance with some all german performers on the very reliable german label OEHMS. There should be still available the one with the Pekinel sisters on Warner bargain labels. However, if you don't mind the Fortepiano (which, in any case, is closer to the original), stick to BIS.

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RE: mozart double and triple piano concertos

There are excellent versions of these two concertos plus n° 20 on Decca with Solti, Barenboim, Schiff and the London Philharmonic, recorded to celebrate Solti's 75th birthday.

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RE: mozart double and triple piano concertos

adrian rumble wrote

Is the old Nonesuch one featuring Alfred Brendel et al available on cd?;

I think you may have got your wires crossed somewhat. Brendel has not recorded for Nonesuch; I think you mean Vox-Turnabout for whom he recorded the Mozart double concerto and two piano sonata with Walter Klien. I have it in a double Vox Box CD No CDX 5177 with Brendel in concertos 19 & 20. Lovely performances, it is probably still available. Brendel has not recorded the 3 piano concerto. I cannot abide fortepiano versions.

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It's a matter of perception, 33lp. Fortepiano sounds more Mozart as it was in in his time, while Brendel (or any other great pianist) sounds more Brendel than Mozart. Good Fortepianos sound very exciting, as they give nuances and colours that the unified sound of a modern (perfectly tuned) piano cannot produce to make these differences. Mozart on modern piano, with immediate returns and pedals which sustain the notes perfectly, sounds a bit like transcription compared to the original fortepiano, where the player has to deal with the actual limitations Mozart was faced with.

However, for the classic pianists versions of the two piano concerto only, there is the Gilels (with his daughter), VPO and Bohm on DG (reissued in the Originals), Curzon and Barenboim on BBC Legends. Both versions have Piano Concerto No. 27 as a fill-up. From a middle period, if it still exists on CBS or Sony, the Perahia-Lupu version was always a winner (which it has also the three piano concerto).

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Having debated fortepianos in Mozart etc elsewhere in these forums some time ago, I disagree totally with your comments Parla, but will not re-start the topic here. I have the Gilels father & daughter CD and the live Curzon & Barenboim CD but would still take Brendel & Klien as first choice for the Mozart 2 piano concerto.

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As you like it, 33lp. As I said, it's a matter of perception.

Sometime ago, I detested the sound of fortepiano and I could barely tolerate the harpsichord. As for the clavichord, square piano, tangent piano, etc., forget it...However, by the years, as I mingled, worked and befriended with people of the Classical music business, I was told, first of all by the pianists, that Haydn and Mozart, let alone the Bachs, sound like transcriptions in modern pianos. They sound also "easier" and "friendlier", since all the initial and inherent "difficulties" of the original instrument are gone, while the pianist has to "adjust" his technic to the actual score (use of different pedals than the ones of harpsichord or fortepiano, etc). Demidenko was one of the very adamant on that.

Just for your information and for all it might be worth: I never believed Beethoven, Schubert or Mendelssohn could also sound "better" or equally interesting on Fortepiano. Recently, I managed to find the magnificent Piano Sonata D.959 in A major of Schubert on Fortepiano with S. Hoogland, in the obscure label Arte dell Arco. Having already had some astonishing performances on modern piano, I never thought the Fortepiano version could give the "impact" of this magnificent sonata, particularly of this amazing slow movement with extreme dynamics, terrifying fast scales, etc. The result of the listening experience was beyond belief.

Anyhow, just get it as info only, if you are well accomodated on the other side. However, if you ever have the proper chance, give a shot. Who knows?..

Have a positive New Year,

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Rather strangely when it comes to the various keyboard concertos of JS Bach, keyboard arrangements of his violin concertos, his Vivaldi concerto arrangement etc I actually prefer harpsichord(s) to piano(s) with a modern instrument chamber orchestra, in particular the Faerber/Wurtemburg and Janigro/Zagreb recordings.

I note your comments on D959, Parla, over the past couple of weeks I've been listening to recordings of D959 by Brendel (live recording), Imogen Cooper  (live version), Lewis and Schnabel. Who does it for you on a modern instrument? Whilst I consider Schnabel unsurpassed in D960, I'm not so sure in D959... 

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Because I love the extreme details of Schubert sonorous Piano Sonatas (and most of his Chamber Music), I stood in awe, when I listened to the latest release of Pentatone with Haelmchen (in a spectacular SACD sound). It's an amazing performance, that, fortunately, was noticed properly by all the major magazines in Europe.

Going back, I think Brendel (in his more recent Philips recording) works pretty well; Leonskaja, on the former Teldec label, was mighty enough; Lewis never convinced me, but it has the Schubert sound and style. I can't listen to "historical" recordings, since my system reveals more problems in the sound rather than the "virtues" of the otherwise great pianists.

By the way, the very musical and great pianist Paul Badura-Skoda is extremely convincing, using three very good indeed Fortepianos, in all the Piano Sonatas of Schubert (on Arcana).

Season's Greetings too!

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33lp, I forgot to mention that Uchida (which I have seen her live in Berlin, playing Schubert and Beethoven and being brilliant on both) sounds almost perfect (to me) in her Schubert (including in the D. 959). The recordings are not perfect, but they do enough justice to her great artistry.

Finally, Lupu is magnificent in whatever he has done on Schubert. A great poet - pianist! I have some reservations for the recordings, but, still, he shines, most of the time.

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Thanks, Parla, I have no trouble with historic piano recordings provided they have not been emasculated by excessive noise reduction and have a significant collection. I look forward to obtaining the new set of Eileen Joyce recordings much praised by Jeremy Nicholas in the magazine as I find her few Chopin recordings unsurpassed. I know some find it difficult to tolerate 78 surface noise but perhaps because I was brought up with them I don't find it too much of a problem.

I'd thought of getting Lupu's Schubert but somehow never got around to it. Interesting to see your comment on Leonskaja as I thought she shone out from the half dozen or so pianists in the Radio 3 Beethoven sonata series; mind you she did get the last 3....

Best wishes 33lp.