One more Vaughan Williams ?
Mon, Apr 9 2012, 12:55AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Absolutely nothing wrong with film music. Think Bliss, Vaughan Williams, Waxman, Elmer Bernstein, Alwyn, Herrmann, Steiner, Shiostakovich etc. Throw in John Williams if you want to, but he must have been listening to Holst (did Holst write film music? - I'm too lazy to check). Anyhow, Tribute Film Classics is now putting out film music recorded by the Moscow Symphony under Stromberg whose recordings used to be issued by Naxos. The price is a lot higher but worth it. Among their latest are three by Herrmann which include Battle of Neretva, The Naked and the Dead, Mysterious Island, The Kentuckian, and Williamsburg.
Mon, Apr 9 2012, 7:22AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Regardless of the background of the "Desert Island Records", I detest these kind of artificial questions, where people have to provide answers that cannot be valid or satisfactory for them.
How typically Parla here to state as fact that an answer provided to a question he decides is "artificial", "cannot be valid or satisfactory" for the person answering. Priceless!
Vic.
Mon, Apr 9 2012, 1:43PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Going back to VW's music, dear Hugh, Symphonies 1 & 7 are inseparable works in the considerable orchestral opus of the great composer. No.1 is a huge attempt to a major achievement, while no. 7 is not simply "film music"; it's good music, after all, and that counts more than anything else. (By the way, in the "film music" output, we may find some of the most glorious works ever composed).
Well, there's a thing, something that Parla and I agree on! The Chandos series of film music recordings is a joy.
Mon, Apr 9 2012, 4:33PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Precisely, Chris! The Chandos series on film music is priceless (like Vic's assessment of my views on the "desert island" question. It's truly priceless, Vic).
Parla
Mon, Apr 9 2012, 11:47PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Regardless of the background of the "Desert Island Records", I detest these kind of artificial questions, where people have to provide answers that cannot be valid or satisfactory for them.
How typically Parla here to state as fact that an answer provided to a question he decides is "artificial", "cannot be valid or satisfactory" for the person answering. Priceless!
Vic.
Which causes me to speculate as to whether he is domicile in Europe.
I am beginning to suspect that, for all his chat, either he resides in deepest Africa or some small S. American, landlocked, country.
Perhaps, even further away but, certainly, not a place where the first (or even the second) language is English.
The World, his World in particular, is made smaller and readily accessible by the www.
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 12:57AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Keep guessing, Troyen. I have given enough tips about me in previous posts, but, anyway...
For your information, I'm sending this post from old good Europe and my world is not that small. It's too hectic though (there is much traveling, etc.). Does it matter, anyway?
Parla
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 6:56AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Precisely, Chris! The Chandos series on film music is priceless (like Vic's assessment of my views on the "desert island" question. It's truly priceless, Vic).
Parla
Your views on the desert island question are ludicrous in the extreme, if consistently egotistical.
"I detest these kind of artificial questions, where people have to
provide answers that cannot be valid or satisfactory for them."
What is priceless is that here we have the clearest exposition yet of the Parla philosophy: there are opinions and there is truth: when the opinion (of others) conflicts with Truth (from Parla) those opinions can be neither valid nor satisfactory. Perfectly consistent, of course, with your view that when you attach the adjective "brilliant" to something, it is not an opinion, it is fact.
Where are the limits to the self-importance your pronouncements suggest, I wonder?
Vic.
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 8:37AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
If you read my first posts on the subject of "desert island" question, you would have noticed that I mentioned that quite a few people, who participated in such kind of hypothetical (if artificial is too much) questions, admitted that they simply provided a reply that didn't represent the truth, but they had to provide it, because it was expected. One of our most esteemed forum members, trying to answer this question, he suggested Mozart, but he admitted the same time, how much he will miss all the others.
So, don't worry, Vic, it's only my opinion on "desert islands". All of you who have the time and anything else needed to answer this kind of questions, feel free to go ahead and enjoy...
Parla
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 11:07AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Keep guessing, Troyen. I have given enough tips about me in previous posts, but, anyway...
For your information, I'm sending this post from old good Europe and my world is not that small. It's too hectic though (there is much traveling, etc.). Does it matter, anyway?
Parla
No, it wouldn't if I wasn't seeking a reason behind all the drivel you come out with.
Your latest "hole digging" exercise is on "Desert Island Discs" where I cannot quite understand whether you are against desert islands because you live in or on something similar or just against lists or you find the whole concept trivial, beyond your fine mind, in fact.
Since we have established over a number of posts over a number of months that you do not possess the last one can only conjecture.
I thought that I was merely enlightening somebody who I thought had no knowledge about Roy Plomley's long-running invention and off you go into some pointless rant based on what?
You must be living in some far flung European enclave, then.
What some would term third or second world Europe.
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 6:20PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Keep guessing and inventing, Troyen.
So, which is the first world Europe, by the way, and how do you define the second or third world Europe? Which are the "far-flung" countries, which may constitute "enclaves" in Europe? Please kindly enlighten any interested or offended member of this forum (if any). The fact that you cannot still understand why I am against the "desert island" game make me wonder why you keep trying. In any case, you can only guess and it does not matter at all.
For the record, the "rant" on the "desert islands" would have finished after our fair exchanges, but Vic wished to...elaborate my views on the matter. Then, I found myself, once more, compelled to respond. Anyway, shall we close the matter? In any case, we hijacked the VW thread.
Parla
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 6:32PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
In any case, we hijacked the VW thread.
Parla
That would be the Royal we.
Tue, Apr 10 2012, 11:15PM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
Keep guessing and inventing, Troyen.
So, which is the first world Europe, by the way, and how do you define the second or third world Europe? Which are the "far-flung" countries, which may constitute "enclaves" in Europe? Please kindly enlighten any interested or offended member of this forum (if any). The fact that you cannot still understand why I am against the "desert island" game make me wonder why you keep trying. In any case, you can only guess and it does not matter at all.
For the record, the "rant" on the "desert islands" would have finished after our fair exchanges, but Vic wished to...elaborate my views on the matter. Then, I found myself, once more, compelled to respond. Anyway, shall we close the matter? In any case, we hijacked the VW thread.
Parla
Unbelievable! You have, actually, run out of steam. Wonders will never cease.
Next you'll be 'fessing-up on some of the inconsistent nonsenses in your posts (I know, but one lives in hope).
Nobody, but yourself, compels you to respond if only it was more often a response and not a reaction or a backpedal.
Wed, Apr 11 2012, 4:57AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
So, instead of answering the offensive questions you artificially create, you simply respond by keeping offending...and...Never mind.
However, be careful with these artificial lines between different "world" Europe (few years ago some "first world" high-ranking guy spoke about the virtues of "New" vis a vis to "Old" Europe. We know what happened to him and how we have to remember him). There is much more, even in Classical Music, all over the Old Continent than you may imagine. So is in most of the rest of the World, where I have been fortunate to witness.
By the way, I'm not "running out of steam", but I don't expect you to figure out what's going on. It doesn't matter, anyway.
Parla
Wed, Apr 11 2012, 10:36AM
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RE: One more Vaughan Williams ?
So, instead of answering the offensive questions you artificially create, you simply respond by keeping offending...and...Never mind.
However, be careful with these artificial lines between different "world" Europe (few years ago some "first world" high-ranking guy spoke about the virtues of "New" vis a vis to "Old" Europe. We know what happened to him and how we have to remember him). There is much more, even in Classical Music, all over the Old Continent than you may imagine. So is in most of the rest of the World, where I have been fortunate to witness.
By the way, I'm not "running out of steam", but I don't expect you to figure out what's going on. It doesn't matter, anyway.
Parla
If it doesn't matter, then why bother?
Yet again you have not fully read my post or not understood it or both?
Regardless of the background of the "Desert Island Records", I detest these kind of artificial questions, where people have to provide answers that cannot be valid or satisfactory for them.
In some other parts of the world, another popular question is :"which work would you like to be played in your funeral?", implying which is your most favourable (beloved) piece of music. Those who accepted to provide replies, they admit afterwords that they simply had to provide an answer. However, a female scholar, journalist and writer, when asked, she said: Among the many pieces of music I love so much, Schubert's Ave Maria (by the way, her name was Maria) is so close to my heart. However, don't dare to play it in my funeral, because I may get up from my grave".
Anyway, for those who don't mind participating in these kind of mind games, enjoy your replies.
Going back to VW's music, dear Hugh, Symphonies 1 & 7 are inseparable works in the considerable orchestral opus of the great composer. No.1 is a huge attempt to a major achievement, while no. 7 is not simply "film music"; it's good music, after all, and that counts more than anything else. (By the way, in the "film music" output, we may find some of the most glorious works ever composed).
Parla
Fine, I shall pass your comments to the BBC, thus ensuring that you will never be invited, like so many famous people before you, on to the programme.
I used to detest the Sea Symphony. Such a silly and unconvincing opening but I changed my mind and find much to enjoy beyond the opening phrases.
The great Antarctic symphony was derived from film music and there are recordings of the film score for those who want them but VW composed a convincing symphony out of it.
Anyway, what is wrong with film music? Composers such as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Alwyn, VW, Britten, Auric, Hermann and Rachmaninov, amongst others, wrote very fine scores for films.
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