The collectors' dilemma

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Does anyone know a woman who collects classical cds as avidly as we do? (I'm assuming you're all men, of course - correct me if I'm wrong)

 

No.I have also never met a woman who was an audiophile.There have been scientific studies that would seem to indicate that women have superior overall hearing to us guys,yet one would be hard pressed to find any women reviewers for audio magazines.Maybe they don`t need all the high end gadgets to hear the music clearly like us inferior males do!As far as the music itself,I recall a (very brave)male music critic claim that he had never met one single woman who could tell the difference between the music of Sibelius and Shostakovich!

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So, it's not a matter of sexism, Troyen. It's a fact of life. And I don't think they are wrong. Possibly, we are.

For the audiophile issue, things are even worse. I haven't met a single woman to be interested in contemplating to receive, even as a gift, a hi-fi system. If, out of courtesy, they accept it, they will probably never properly use it.

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So, it's not a matter of sexism, Troyen. It's a fact of life. And I don't think they are wrong. Possibly, we are.

For the audiophile issue, things are even worse. I haven't met a single woman to be interested in contemplating to receive, even as a gift, a hi-fi system. If, out of courtesy, they accept it, they will probably never properly use it.

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Oh, is it, now? That justifies your patronising sexism does it?

Perhaps you should ask Hilary Finch who chose and set up her Hi Fi for her.

Clearly, according to your sweeping generalisation she, clearly, would not have had a clue.

Also, in passing, whether she is clear on the distinctions between Sibostakovich and Shostabelius. I'm sure I'm confused by the two.

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In the bad old days when cars came with crappy, or no, sound systems, I'd spend days fixing up my wife's wheels with decent stereo. Gave that up after years of finding that whenever I drove hers, the sound would be adjusted however it had ended up after she'd accidentally nudged the controls a dozen times. Typically, the volume would be just above zero, balance and fade all the way over to one side or the other, treble and bass at either extreme. And she'd have the same tape (later cd) in there for months on end.

If she has music on in the house, more often than not it's something like Der Rosenkavalier on her store-bought ghetto-blaster in the kitchen in preference to either of two high-falutin sound systems standing idle in adjacent rooms. More than once I've found her very happily listening to a speaker whose cone surround had disintegrated, the voice coil rasping away like a poorly-tuned radio station. 

She loves her music, but how it arrives at her eardrums is immaterial as far as she's concerned.

Anyway, all this is by-the-way. If I read JAH right, he's looking for a girl who enjoys classical music. From time to time we've had some very knowledgeable ladies on here so it can't be that big an ask. How about joining a choir, JAH?

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Ach so, liebe Troyen! So, you know one (or so) who is the exception, probably, not the rule.

I would be more than glad to meet a non professional female (musician, journalist, etc.) who might be like us (an avid collector and true audiophile). The only two women, who briefly appeared - in the last seven months - in this forum, were two aspiring opera singers (one from Germany and one from France).

That was all!

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For the audiophile issue, things are even worse. I haven't met a single woman to be interested in contemplating to receive, even as a gift, a hi-fi system. If, out of courtesy, they accept it, they will probably never properly use it.

Parla

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What strange ideas some people have! Parla was obviously not a Gramophone reader when the audio section had a female equipment reviewer. I seem to recall her name was Caroline Osborne.

JAH wrote meanwhile "does anyone know a woman who collects cds as avidly...."

Troyen mentioned Hilary Finch meanwhile Schumann biographer Joan Chissell reviewed for Gramophone for decades so I would imagine she collected quite a few LPs, especially as those were the days when comparitive reviews were more common than today. I would also imagine she had reasonable equipment to play them on as she would frequently comment on the audio quality of the items she reviewed.

Both Pianist Magazine and International Piano magazine have female editors. Do they never listen to or collect CDs do you think? I also seem to recall Harriet Smith has been a CD/music magazine editor, I wonder how much of a collection she has? 

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Anyway, all this is by-the-way. If I read JAH right, he's looking for a girl who enjoys classical music. From time to time we've had some very knowledgeable ladies on here so it can't be that big an ask. How about joining a choir, JAH?

No,JAH is wondering if there are women who are into obtaining classical cds.Are there women who have a large collection of discs like a lot of us fellows have?I interjected the subject of the actual concern for audio quality and also mentioned a statement made by someone,whose name fortunately escapes me, in regards to his(moronic) view of women`s apparent lack of knowledge in regards to classical music.

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I think that love of classical music and collecting are two very different kettles of fish. Mission Control adores her music, but thinks I have several screws loose as I rhapsodise on the 15th version of opera x and why it's an essential purchase. I think the obsessive collecting 'bug' does generally seem to be a male preserve, regardless of the object being collected and obsessive nutters (or collectors) are, I should say, less prevalent in women who usually have a lot more common sense.

Incidentally, I remember about 30 or so years ago reading somewhere (in Gramophone?) that there was a curious phenomen where a very tiny part of the population did not hear stereo as stereo, but as two separate, unblended sound sources. The studies into this found that the phenomenon only ever affected women. I wonder whether anyone else remembers, or has heard of, this? I hasten to add that I'm not trying to make any point here, sexist or otherwise.

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The question and my answer too has to do with the issue of whether non-professionals (no journalists, reviewers, editors, musicians, biographers, etc.) collect CDs, LPs, DVDs, etc. with an unending passion and a quest for the "holy grail" or the creation of an archive with as many versions of the same work, etc.

In my lifetime, I have found several men, crazy enough to collect every single version of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas, but not a single woman who could simply get to trouble to purchase several CDs and build a tiny but decent collection. Likewise, they have no reason to invest in audiophile products.

However, even the professionals collect for the sake of their speciality. Our violinist collects and listens exclusively violin repertory. Likewise our cellist. They are both our ladies of the group.

So, 33lp don't compare the Pianist Magazine's editor or the Schumann biographer or an equipment reviewer. Do you know any ordinary female, who either stays as housewife or works in any other than the music or audio business profession and collects in the same way as some of their male counterparts do? That's the question.

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Women collect CDs? Well my daughter disposed of all of hers and now downloads anything she wants to her laptop and then transfers that to ipod.

I know, she should be doing the housework and other domestic tasks for which her brain was programmed.

Women, doncha just love the little darlings, more likely to collect shoes than CDs, the little darlings.

As for women and audio, well a fish is more likely to ride a bicycle.

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Wish they did collect cds. It would take all the angst out of gift-buying at Christmas and birthdays.

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Some time ago,I figured that if I listened to all the cds I own 24 hours a day,7 days a week,it would take me close to four months before I repeated a disc!That is VERY unsettling!It reminds me of the Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner-water everywhere but can`t drink it.There is NO way possible that I will ever get to most of the discs.I try not to think about it or I`ll go crazy!And,like everybody else,I have my favorite select recordings that get played multiple times.

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tagalie wrote:

Anyway, all this is by-the-way. If I read JAH right, he's looking for a girl who enjoys classical music. From time to time we've had some very knowledgeable ladies on here so it can't be that big an ask. How about joining a choir, JAH?

Tagalie, you've made me laugh, but my wife may not see the funny side. But I was hoping for some female contributions in this thread - if there are any female forum members that is. Are there? Surely this forum isn't a male preserve?

Choirs? Well, I can't sing. I am as likely to get in a choir as Wigan are to win the premier league this season. As for fancying female musicians, I have had the occasional racing pulse when attending CBSO and Conservatoire concerts in my Birmingham days.

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I venture that women have some kind of audio-perfecting interface between their ears and their brains, so that crappy sound becomes a thing of beauty. We men, primitive beings that we are, have to make do with sound as it really is, warts 'n all. The simple answer is that women don't need sophisticated audio equipment - they already have it, inbuilt.

As to why women don't collect, it's because they already have a hard drive in their heads, and don't need cds. Rhapsody in Blue? Click, whirr ... done, lovely. Rachmaninov piano conc 2? Click, whirr, whirr ... done, ahhh, sigh, sigh.

Sorted.

Women, come on. Join in.

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Mrs kev collects jewellery and plants although, completism doesn't seem to be an issue.  Different versions of the same plant, varying complexity of petals for example, are important, as are colours and the way the flowers hang.  A ring has to 'look right' on her finger.  She sometimes makes complementary comments about my music but she's not interested in any detail about it.  I showed here a new CD of mine the other day and she said why should you think I would be interested in that?  On the cover was a photo of an exotic plant.

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