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Brahms' Violin Concerto is the one of the three peaks of the repertory (the other are Beethoven's and Tchaikovsky's).
None of the above is as good as Mendelssohn's. Quite a few 20th-century works equal or surpass them too. Beethoven's is particularly overrated; for me one of the least convincing of his major works.
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Naupilus, Berg's Concerto is a peak of the 20th century, but I cannot possibly find how it can be considered alongside the greatest Classical ones. The form, the concept, the scope, the writing are so different.
I'm glad, Guillaume, if you consider Mendelssohn's as the only one "peak" of the Violin Concertos. Depending on how you may defend your position, it may be true. I wonder, though, which are the "quite a few" 20th century works "equal" or 'surpassing' (!) the three Classic greats.
The reason I mentioned these three Concertos (Beethoven, Brahms and Tchaikovsky) as the "peaks" of the Violin Concerto are based on the following facts:
-All three are following a similar form of the Grand Concerto: a huge, grandiose, almost epic First movement, with very impressive and exciting orchestral passages. The violin soloist has an enormous task to handle in this First movement, ending with some very demanding musically and technically cadenzas. The slow movements are lyrical but of utmost beauty and clarity as well as musicality. The Finales are fast, technically dazzling and rhythmically very exhilarating.
-All three are in D major, a bright key and "friendly" to violin, based on its normal tuning of its open strings, adding enough richness and splendour in the sound of the instrument. The orchestration is identical to all three, with the exception of one additional flute and two horns in the case of Brahms and Tchaikovsky. The treatment of the orchestration presents quite a few similarities, leading to the maximum splendour of the orchestral sound.
-In these concertos, the soloist has to "shine" in a very challenging orchestral environment, where he may feel almost as a sort of primus inter pares.
-Most of the greatest violinists deal with these works at the height of their maturity and artistry or with a view to proving that.
Mendelssohn's Concerto is close to the above characteristics, but it is somehow a much shorter work, albeit very demanding, innovative and exciting work. The scope and the whole form as well as the structure are, however, a bit smaller.
Parla
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Brahms' Violin Concerto is the one of the three peaks of the repertory (the other are Beethoven's and Tchaikovsky's).
Agree with Parla on Brahms and to some extent with Guillaume on Beethoven. Apart from the slow movement it does not for me approach his piano concerti. I would cite Elgar as one of peaks.
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Alexander Tcherepnin: Piano Concerto No. 4 on Spotify:
http://open.spotify.com/album/3GnWKkfvBGo1uqqJLRY7a6
Robin
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The wonderful Szymanowski String Quartet N° 2 op. 56
Beautiful piece of modern music!
Tom
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I can't see how anyone can find the Beethoven violin concerto "overrated" or even inferior to his piano concertos.
To me, it's the absolute pinnacle of the concertos - and not only Beethoven's.
Just take that opening, with the four timpani beats preparing you for one of Beethoven's most gorgeous melodies - and for 40 minutes more of Beethoven in his most inspired and generous mood.
If there's one concerto in parla's "top three" that's overrated, it's the Tchaikowski. Hanslick for once was right about this one.
@Tom, wonderful indeed. Szymanowski is still underrated, he should by now be regarded as one of the greatest early 20th century modernists. And talking about violin concertos, his two concertos are among the best of the 20th century. I once analyzed the 4th symphony (a fascinating symphony/piano concerto hybrid) for theory class, and the deeper you dig into a piece like this, the more you're amazed by the richness and quality of it.
Too bad his music will always be too complex and difficult for the masses to understand.
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Beethoven is a composer I admire rather then love,but the violin concerto is the exception to my rule.It is the greatest violin concerto in the repertoire,and a work,no matter how many times I listen, never tire of it.
I wholeheartedly agree with Naupilus in his praise for the Berg concerto - not the easiest piece to get to know,but with a little perseverance,magic awaits.I used to think the Prokofiev second was the greatest violin concerto of the 20th century.Not any more,it's Berg for me.
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Indeed. As I think most reasonable listeners would agree.
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Most "reasonable" listeners? On which grounds "reasonable"?
In any case, most violinists, scholars, experts or professionals would disagree that Tchaikovsky' Violin Concerto is overrated. It is fully idiomatic, brilliantly orchestrated (a common feature of this composer) and on a very large scale (only the first movement is a concerto on its own).
Eventually, Beethoven's Violin Concerto is properly defended. Thanks for your valuable contribution, 50m.
Parla
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Oh dear. We have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
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Oh dear. We have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
Tagalie, it goes without saying that everyone who posts at this, the Mount Olympus of classical music fora, will pass with flying colors ;)
Granted, my statement sounded a bit too elitist - but Szymanowski's music often DOES require repeated listening to find the hidden depths beneath the hermetic surface.
It's the kind of music that keeps surprising you, no matter how often you listen to it. To me, that alone is a benchmark of quality. Too bad our modern society's fast-paced consumerism doesn't have patience anymore with this musical equivalent of "slow food".
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No problem 50m, but you did set yourself up for a bit of a poke with that one.
I have to confess Szymanowski's music continues to leave me cold, and that perplexes me. He's the only early/mid 20th century Eastern European composer I don't thoroughly enjoy and my attempts to get into his music go back to an ancient Heliodor lp I bought as a student, coupling his first VC with Wieniawski's second. I keep trying. Lately I've been walking around with his string quartets on my portable.
Hope springs eternal. I'm sure we've all got stories of composers who've suddenly clicked after years of failing to register with us.
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Without overestimating Szymanowsky (even the Polish do not feel so "impressed" by his music. Some well educated Polish friends used to call him simply "a Polish composer"), his String Quartets and his Violin/Piano Music are masterpieces, not that difficult to find the "hidden depths" and without to much of the "hermetic surface".
For the Symphonies and the Violin Concertos, possibly your remarks, 50m, could fit very well. These works do not keep surprising me, no matter how often I listen to them; they simply make me feel tired and often depressed, while I admit they are well written and with some impressive structure and interesting orchestration.
Parla
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Parla
I would offer the Berg concerto as one to join your list of finest - it just is such a beautiful, marvellous work - only Wozzeck and maybe the Three Orchestral Pieces strie me as being of similar quality in Berg's output (whihc generally I find overall to be incredibly rich).
Naupilus