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I didn't try to "put off" anyone here, but I cannot accept that a very minor composer can be hailed as a major revelation, even if one of his works may sound as fine as it can get.
However, Guillaume, if you're interested in some renegade Soviet music, try a late Soviet, later "advanced", composer of Russia, who is still alive and some labels still record some of his "masterpieces": His name is Alexander Knaifel. ECM has honoured him with three recordings. The latest includes the Choral "masterwork" Blazhenstka (The Beatitudes) and a Lamento for Solo Cello. He has been "well-known" by his thrilling Opera "The Canterville Ghost" (now on Briliant). You may enjoy them. (I trust Jarred should know and possibly have them already).
Parla
P.S.: Dear occasional contributor of this forum, thanks for the unwitting compliment about the "comic relief". I won't return it, since I always stick to the message...not the messenger.
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Jared
Welcome to the forum. I have heard of Knipper but have never heard his music. However after looking him up just then I am pleasantly surprised to see that when I was learning the piano at school I used to play his tune which became known as "Meadowlands" as a study piece. He seems to have had an interesting life. If I see that CD of the violin concerto and eigth symphony I will get it.
Graham
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I didn't try to "put off" anyone here, but I cannot accept that a very minor composer can be hailed as a major revelation, even if one of his works may sound as fine as it can get.
Parla, you don't need to try to put people off; it comes naturally to you. I've only just seen, the thread having been revived, your response some time ago to another debutant member inquiring about recordings of an obscure early Schubert opera. I'd have described your reply as disgusting, had it not been so absurd. At any rate that new member has never been back.
Incidentally, Jared didn't claim Knipper's concerto was a "revelation", let alone a "major" one; he merely said that it deserves to be better known. As do many works by "very minor" composers. I know nothing of Knipper, but I'd wager he was a much bigger shot than any of your friends on the committee of experts you've often invoked in your posts.
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So, Guillaume, you know that much of my nature, while you don't know anything about me.
Regarding my response to the "obscure early Schubert Opera", I didn't say something that was not correct. As you describe it, it is indeed an obscure early work that failed to pass even if the likes of a Harnoncourt tried to revive it in 1995. Out of the more than a dozen Operas by Schubert, even the long scale ones failed to gain the spotlight despite the great efforts of labels like EMI (they tried to pass some of the short ones in the seventies with admirable casts and DG along with Berlin and Dynamic some of the longer ones with the best available cast).
My reaction to Jarred's post had to do not with the actual text but what was implied between the lines. As for my "friends" and "committee of experts", they are humble performers and servants of Classical Music, not some promising composers, like Knipper, who, as a "bigger shot" as he may be, he is always a small footnote of Classical Music.
Parla
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Jared, this was interesting - I'll look up the Violin Concerto. Had this gone somewhere profitable, I was going to say that as Graham J points out a lot of people know Knipper even when they think they don't - "Meadowlands" ("Polyushka, Polye") is from his Fourth Symphony (ah, the days of Soviet male voice choirs - also endless orchestral transcriptions).
There is some scattered material out there, though sadly deleted: the Bassoon Concerto on Melodiya, the Third Quartet on an Arte Nova collection, two discs - one with the Symphonietta [sic] for Strings and a Concert Poem for Cello and Orchestra, the other with that 4th Symphony - from Olympia. The easiest thing to hear right now is the Concertino-Monologue for Cello, Winds and Timpani, largely because Rostropovich recorded it.
This stuff is interesting - some of it very Stalin-era accessible, some far gnarlier - and has crept in and out of the catalogue as a result of the tangles connected with Melodiya material which has migrated across labels. It's absolutely ludicrous to claim that its unavailability points to a lack of intrinsic musical interest - the Nesterenko recording of Shostakovich's Michelangelo Suite has been stuck in a void for ages (so glad I got the LP when it came out) but I've never heard that pushed as an argument that it deserves oblivion. I'd also call the slither from Knipper to Knaifel asinine, except that that would be a slur on innocent asses. The two composers' lives overlapped with the Soviet era, but they are a generation and a half apart and have next to nothing in common musically. I diagnose someone who in his usual sad desperation to prove that he's a step ahead of everyone ("been there, heard that, know it all") got his finger stuck on the Kn button in some list of Soviet composers.
Thanks so much for this, Jared. I will hunt up the Northern Flowers CD, and I hope you post more.
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A beautiful mono pressing of Zino Francecatti violin concertos, Mendelssohn Concerto in E Minor & Tchaikovsky Concerto in D Major.
(Philips ABL3159)
Dimitri Mitropoulos conducting the Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra of New York.
I'm so enthralled by the tonal quality I didn't even realise it was in mono!
John L.G.Shaw (Shaw Sounds)
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Brahms Symphony No.1 with the Helsingborg/Manze combination on CPO. Fascinating in the lean textures and how, with a smaller string section, the 'classical' quality of the orchestration comes out. A really wonderful antidote to the terribly stodgy Brahms that is served up too often...
Though I still think the best Brahms I have heard live is Guilini, whose take was so slow as to be cosmic.
Now CPO - what about getting Manze to try Dvorak with this approach?
Naupilus
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Do you know Francescatti's rendition of Beethoven's violin concerto with Bruno Walter and the Columbia Symph.? Still my favorite version of the piece - it's coupled with the Sibelius concerto (both in stunning early stereo) on a cheap Sony disk.
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Vaughan Williams' Sancta Civitas this morning, an undervalued work by a still-underestimated composer. But awaiting a recording that does it justice. The Willcocks opens dramatically then sags rather. Hickox has excellent soloists (Terfel and an ethereal Langridge in the tenor's cameo) but a peculiar recording, muffled, strings recessed, coping poorly with the work's dynamic range.
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Do you know Francescatti's rendition of Beethoven's violin concerto with Bruno Walter and the Columbia Symph.? Still my favorite version of the piece - it's coupled with the Sibelius concerto (both in stunning early stereo) on a cheap Sony disk.
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There is also a recording of Francescatti playing the same piece from 1950 with Ormandy conducting the Philadelphia. Again in superb mono sound. This Philips Classical Favorites LP is fairly easily obtained after diligent searching of local Charity shops.
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Currently listening to Domingo and various others (Vinay, Vickers, King) as points of comparison and contrast after having played the new Jonas Kaufmann Wagner CD, with Deutsche Opera forces under Runnicles.
The disc contains some superlative singing. His In Fernem Land is every bit as glorious as I remember it live, and his Tannhauser and Rienzi excerpts are wonderfully and very sensitively sung. Kaufmann is a considerable vocal actor in my opinion, a facet of his art that gets comparatively little attention. Perhaps that's understandable given the magnificence of his voice.
It's also a thoughtfully compiled recital, and I'm expecting him to bring the same combination of voice and artistry to the Wesendonck Lieder, to which I've not yet listened.
I'm eagerly awaiting hearing him in recital and Don Carlo this coming spring (or what might pass for it here).
I've just taken delivery of the ROH Tosca DVD with him, Terfel and Gheorghiu. I'm steeling myself for some OTT facial histrionics from Terfel (they were obvious in the performances I attended and will presumably be even more obvious in close-up) but it should bring back memories of what was an impressive production.
JKH
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Don't like Terfel's Scarpia? You've caught me a bit off guard there, JKH. On dvd, at least, I think he's magnificent. I've got him in both the Nederlandse and ROH performances. I can sense what you're getting at though. What seemed sponteneous and exciting first time round is perhaps threatening to become a little mannered now.
Singer for singer, the ROH show is of course better but as a whole I tend to prefer the Nederlandse. Lehnhoff's productions are hit or miss, a hit for me here. All singers act convincingly and work well with eachother even if neither Margison nor Malfitano are your best-looking Toscas and Cavaradossis. And the Concertgebouw under Chailly is a huge plus.
I'm so happy that another opera fan recognizes the importance of acting (both with the voice and bodily) in this medium. The 'all that matters in opera is singing' school drives me round the bend. I just bought three Mozart blu-rays: Cosi, Le Nozze and Zauberflote, the Glyndebourne and two ROHs. All three blew me away in every respect, production, acting, singing and recording. Surely the days when unprepossessing singers could waddle onto the proscenium, warble at the pit and wobble off, are gone. There are too many fine singers who look their parts and can act these days.
Have you checked out the Kaufmann Werther?
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Tagalie, I think Terfel's Scarpia is excellent vocally and (within the director's conception of the role) convincing dramatically. Personally I think Scarpia should not be an out and out thug and needs at least a hint of the suavity that Gobbi, Ramey and Anthony Baldwin(going back a little) for instance, brought to the role. My main gripe with the ROH dvd is that it is theatre acting and seems a little too 'big' for the camera. The perils of being filmed live, I suppose.
I'm not a fan of the Lehnhoff production, though agree that vocally it's not to be sniffed at. Malfitano is a most underrated singer - her Salome at the ROH with Terfel was very moving, not something one expects from most Salomes. The most most moving Tosca I ever heard live was, surprisingly, Maria Ewing. I could name a dozen sopranos with better voices, but the combination of acting with the voice and her stage portrayal will stay with me for a very long time indeed.
Yes, the Kaufmann's Werther is superb. I think when one is particularly impressed with a voice, it's easy to slip into the unconscious prejudice that everything the singer does is at an equally superlative level, but I can honestly say that even after repeated listening to Kaufmann with very critical ears, I'm convinced that he is already one of the true greats.
JKH
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Vaughan Williams' Sancta Civitas this morning, an undervalued work
Oddly, I was playing both versions you mention just the other week. Willcocks wins hands down for me. Far more dramatic as well as better recorded. Good to have two versions of both this and the equally excellent "Dona Nobis Pacem" though.
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Jared, since nobody else has welcomed you to the forum let me do so, though I'm only an occasional contributor here. I'd never heard of Knipper but am pleased to have been introduced and will bear him in mind, however rare recordings may be.
Don't be put off by Parla, as all too many have been; he provides most of the comic relief here, as you'll realise if you stick around.
G