Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 2:15PM
#2
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
I have read past posts and know about the "charges against Parla", but you guys try to attack Parla at every possible opportunity. Cool it down! Discuss the subject at hand and stop diverting into personal matters.
That's all I will say about it (to follow what I preach...), future posts will concentrate on musical matters.
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 2:35PM
#3
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Eventually, some wise words from a prudent member.
I am in, Ganymede. Let's hope the other members will follow and avoid the distraction of personal attacks.
Parla
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 3:40PM
#4
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
I have read past posts and know about the "charges against Parla", but you guys try to attack Parla at every possible opportunity. Cool it down! Discuss the subject at hand and stop diverting into personal matters.
That's all I will say about it (to follow what I preach...), future posts will concentrate on musical matters.
Didn't Ganymede come to a sticky end in mythology?
You are the Brodskysaurus in disguise and I claim my five pounds.
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 6:42PM
#5
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Come on, Troyen. Whoever doesn't come your way should be the "wrong guy".
Ganymede is a member since 29 Oct. 2011. Does he decide, now, to disguise himself? At least, he proposes a prudent, fair and sensible "olive branch" to all of us. Let's accept it and stick to the music.
Parla
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 7:30PM
#6
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
So, even when some prudent and sensible member comes not to my defense,
A bit of humility is always welcome.
Parla
Love it! The one Parla supporter on this forum is 'prudent and sensible', the rest of us are ignoramuses. And then he, the Great I Am, the most insufferably arrogant person I've ever come across, caps it all with a request for humility!
Parla, you'd be hilarious if you had a sense of humour.
I'll make a deal with you. I'll stick to music if you do too, and if you desist from:
a) Lecturing forum members from your throne on high
b) Butting into threads discussing subjects about which you have no knowledge or sympathy
Deal? It should cut your posts by about two thirds
Chambers defines Ganymede as a potboy or catamite.
Mon, Mar 12 2012, 10:35PM
#7
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Ah! Tagalie, you got what you want to get.
- Ganymede is not my supporter; he simply cannot approve what you are constantly doing by attacking me at every single opportunity.
- You speak "from your own throne" too, dictating terms of reference, pronouncing what is right and what is wrong, in matters outside the Classical Music field.
- The forum is free and open. If you refrain from personal attacks, I will stick to the music subjects.
- You are not supposed (you are not the authority) to "identify" for which "subjects I have no knowledge or sympathy".
Simply, show the same respect you may expect for your positions, whether they can be understood or not, and I will do the same.
Finally, don't try to diminish another member, you dislike his position, by selectively choosing the "definitions" which are convenient to your purpose. Ganymede could be the largest moon in the Solar System, among other things. (Do we have to try to be mean, that often?).
Parla
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 12:13AM
#8
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Come on, Troyen. Whoever doesn't come your way should be the "wrong guy".
Ganymede is a member since 29 Oct. 2011. Does he decide, now, to disguise himself? At least, he proposes a prudent, fair and sensible "olive branch" to all of us. Let's accept it and stick to the music.
Parla
You mean he rushes to your defense?
The only one. Hug him to your breast.
It still doesn't mean he's not the Brodskysaurus and being a member for only six months merely heightens my suspicions.
So, where's my fiver, then?
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 1:55AM
#9
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Troyen - please, what's your point? You are - like all of us - free to disagree with Parla, to disagree with me, to disagree with anyone else. If you disagree with something discussed about the topic feel free to argue against it, as long as the topic has some relation to what is the subject of the thread. But there is no need for some of the quite insulting vocabulary I read in this thread and many others. It seems to come out of nowhere the moment that Parla makes the minutest comment that you disagree with and it goes way beyond what I'd consider justified in that moment. And it's not only you of course who does this, but several others as well.
Ultimately this is a forum about classical music. I have absolutely no interest in reading personal attacks against anyone, not against Parla, not against you, not against anyone.
I'm not trying to protect any particular person (such as Parla on this occasion) but only to protect the tone of this forum. If it gets out of hand then if I were Gramophone I'd shut it down for good, to all of us. Shame.
Let's stick to the topic at hand, let's talk about music and let's not wait for every occasion to attack any one of us! This is a general principle of mutual respect and a minimum level of civilisation.
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 7:47AM
#10
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Didn't Ganymede come to a sticky end in mythology?
You are the Brodskysaurus in disguise and I claim my five pounds.
No, troyen, you are wide of the mark there, I'm afraid. Ganymede is far too literate and conciliatory to be the Brodskysaurus. My money's on Albert's dumb brother - and with that I claim my five pounds.
Vic.
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 8:17AM
#11
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Troyen - please, what's your point? ...
Let's stick to the topic at hand, let's talk about music and let's not wait for every occasion to attack any one of us! This is a general principle of mutual respect and a minimum level of civilisation.
On the face of it, this is seems unarguable, but given the history and context wrapped up in all of this, I do think it edges towards the sanctimonious a little. I don't defend some of Troyen's language but I do think he and others make valid points that need airing. Parla has a style and manner that has caused many to express extreme exasperation at times. He can and does answer for himself and we can all make our own assessment of his way of doing so. He doesn't need a knight in shining armour.
Vic.
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 10:01AM
#12
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Vic.
Don't worry Vic, protector of all that is liberal is your role and nobody is going to take it away from you. Not even for £5.
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 10:15AM
#13
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
Vic.
Don't worry Vic, protector of all that is liberal is your role and nobody is going to take it away from you. Not even for £5.
Bingo! (again) God, he's so transparent!
How many name changes is that now? Six, seven?
Vic.
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 10:32AM
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RE: Why do we need another
he's so transparent!
Clearly
Tue, Mar 13 2012, 11:11AM
#15
RE: Why do we need another Brahms and/or Beethoven cycle?
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On the face of it, this is seems unarguable, but given the history and context wrapped up in all of this, I do think it edges towards the sanctimonious a little. I don't defend some of Troyen's language but I do think he and others make valid points that need airing. Parla has a style and manner that has caused many to express extreme exasperation at times. He can and does answer for himself and we can all make our own assessment of his way of doing so. He doesn't need a knight in shining armour.
Vic.
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Like I said, I'm not defending any one person, I just want to salvage the tone on this forum, it's becoming a real nuisance. I know, there is a history and I'm not trying to sweep that under the carpet but let's dampen down the effect a little and stick to the subject instead. And that applies to everyone, including those I allegedly defend.
Everyone - this is a forum about music not personal matters.
Yes, but classical music doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's too loud. Always do the ironing and vacuum cleaning before listening to classical music. You know it makes sense.