A Moderator Please

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A Moderator Please

This is a simple thread intended to provide a route for any member of the Forum to write in (here) to support my request for active moderation of the Gramophone Forum. Whether you are a regular or occasional contributor to the Forum or a passive reader, your support would be equally welcomed.

 

A short clear statement would be the most helpful. If there is sufficient response it might provide a stimuus for some action. I'd like to believe that anyway.

 

Thank you

 

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

Moderating the forum...

Seconded, Chris.

However, I believe the terms of reference of this "moderator" should be stipulated and agreed by the members (somehow) instead of them being imposed (in one or the other way). When agreed, the "House Rules" should be adapted accordingly too, I trust.

Besides, I sense that Gramophone might not have the available personnel for such a "task". Editors, reviewers etc. have enough and specific work to do. Anyway, let's see how the esteemed magazine's team may react to this appeal first.

Parla

Although I am not an active

Although I am not an active member of the forum just now I must disagree with you Chris, even if I respect your frustration.

The reason is simple: I don't want my own words censored, and can't possibly justify this if I'm happy to have someone else's trimmed or deleted. The trade off is clear: idiotic words and lots of noise (some of my own, no doubt)  will make it through as the price for having the possibility and the space to say better things.

Maybe you are talking mainly about manners, but censorship for that is already there: we all know that we can't use certain words nor call people certain things.

The problem with the thread that is causing your current frustration is not so much the level of maniac abuse that I imagine you perceive as the fact that it stands out among the great silence of nothing else going on in the forum. In a healthy forum you would barely notice it and if you did you would likely move on quickly enough. And that is all it takes really.

In the meantime I very much hope that whenever I've got the time to come back here more actively you'll be still around and the forum won't be censored!

All the best.

camaron wrote:The problem

camaron wrote:

The problem with the thread that is causing your current frustration is not so much the level of maniac abuse that I imagine you perceive as the fact that it stands out among the great silence of nothing else going on in the forum. In a healthy forum you would barely notice it and if you did you would likely move on quickly enough. And that is all it takes really.

Good to see you are still around, Camaron. (Where are we on the Well Tempered Clavichord?)

I think this just about represents my view on the situation, too. This latter point - about the great silence - probably is the reason why the discord stands out so much. Therefore, Chris, wouldn't it be better to come back and get stuck in? Take a hand in building debates and demonstrating, by personal example, the possibilities of civility and good humour? Your presence may well encourage others to do the same and eventually lead to a healthier, happier, saner forum. Life is imperfect and conflict is inevitable, unfortunately, but if you insist on standing on the sidelines - while waiting for The Moderator - you lose the power to make things better. 

 

An appeal and a counter-appeal

These last sentences of your post, Jane, are used, in one or the other way, to convince people to go to vote ("you lose the power to make things better"). By participating in the process of any activity, you contribute to the development of a process but things are not going to be better or worse because of your (or aybody else's) specific action.

Unfortunately, for every argument there is a counter-argument. The poblem is where lies the truth.

Parla

 

 

An important and worthy issue - with implications way beyond music forums.

 

parla wrote:

 

  By participating in the process of any activity, you contribute to the development of a process but things are not going to be better or worse because of your (or aybody else's) specific action.

 

 

Of course they are.  How does any change occur without a person, or persons' "specific action"?

 

Outcomes are affected by abstention as well as positive involvement.  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  We contribute because we believe we have a duty as well as a right to have our voice heard.  Looking the other way gives licence for wrong.  Not only that, but if we do not speak out when we recognise wrong, then we are complicit.   

 

"The maxim is Qui tacet consentire: the maxim of the law is "Silence gives consent"".   The apathetic, the moaners, the "anything-for-a-quiet-lifers" should really be guided by this.  

 

Of course there are "arguments and counter-arguments".  Where "the truth lies" is the crux.  Well, it is either sought and debated, is guided by Enlightenment Humanism, or it is revealed in holy writ. "Let right be done" by arguing for it.  Or submit in silence.

 

[Message to self: Listen to "Pur ti Miro" before replying to Comrade Parla".]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To Vic

Jane, it is kind of you to suggest that I might by  "demonstrating, by personal example, the possibilities of civility and good humour? and that my '' presence may well encourage others to do the same and eventually lead to a healthier, happier, saner forum."

I'm not sure, based on past experience, but I'd be willing to try.

For it to work though one piece of the jigsaw remains to be filled.

Vic, you wrote 'Stick to music Chris. On that ground you retain your dignity.'

So my question to you Vic is this: are you willing to do the same?

If so we may be in business.

 

Chris

Chris A.Gnostic

To Chris

c hris johnson wrote:

 

So my question to you Vic is this: are you willing to do the same?

 

 

 I have no beef with you whatsoever Chris, quite the contrary in fact.  I hope you can see the implications of my post above yours, and agree to differ on what prompts it. 

Vic, I asked you a straight

Vic, I asked you a straight question.

Your answer?

Chris A.Gnostic

One more time.

Chris, you two (and I on other occasions) have promised, several times, to stick to the music, but...only for some time. The political correctness is always prevalent, these days. I guess it is entirely up to you to decide what to do. It is a tough call, anyway.

Parla

Message to Vic.

By contributing to the process, where others (in some cases are millions) do the same thing too, the action of the one person is only a contribution, not the change itself. It has to coincide with a substantive majority to start making a change. And to "create" a majority is another matter, irrelevant enough to your participation in the process.

Parla

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