those were the days my friend

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parla wrote:

(I don't think Guillaume, Arbutus or Mark and the multitude of the silent posters who read this digression share your excitement, let alone your nostalgia).

Those named can speeak for themselves. In the case of at least one of the 'multitude' your presumption is wholly misplaced. 

Nice try though Vic. The triumph of hope over experience, I suppose.

JKH

JKH

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VicJayL wrote:

This cannot be a digression Parla because it is the subject of the thread.

Indeed a thread away from the "classical music" fora.

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Parla, your tone is disappointing and, I think, misplaced.  You see confrontation where none is intended.  That is your problem and I will leave it with you.

As for what constitutes "proper" content for this forum, I was suggesting that there was a time when topics ranged widely and attracted lively and good-natured debate, and we should consider it part of healthy and interesting discourse. There was no more to it than that.

Other successful forums have sections for "off topic" items for discussion, like the General Interest section here, and no one has the right to say what should or should not be discussed.  After all, there's no compulsion on anyone to contribute to any thread or individual posting.  You could just stay out of a topic if you don't agree with it, couldn't you?

Vic.

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JKH, I said "I don't think". I didn't say "I'm sure" and, of course "those named can speak for themselves" (however, I doubt they will bother to do so), but my impression is that they did not share that much the enthusiasm of Vic about these exchanges and the outcome of the digression. I, personally, did not find that digression neither mutually agreed nor well conducted and resolved. I'm not surprised that you enjoyed the discussion, though.

Vic, my tone is "disappointing", because I am disappointed...I don't see any "confrontation" either, but I feel I have to voice my disagreement with the pattern you introduced to this forum about the "justified or well-intended or well-conducted digression".

Here, in this forum, we do not have, fortunately, "off topic" section and this one is called "about the site", which from the description of the magazine itself, does not seem to accomodate a subject as the "well-mannered digression".

I don't know since when members contributing to a topic should be only the like-minded. If I don't agree, I'm supposed to voice my disagreement by participating, I believe.

Parla

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parla wrote:

JKH, I said "I don't think". I didn't say "I'm sure" .........

Thank you Parla for that clarification. Like most here, I'd been under the impression that they were the same thing in your case.

 

JKH 

JKH

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parla wrote:

 

Vic, my tone is "disappointing", because I am disappointed...

 

No, Parla, you misunderstand.  I meant that I am disappointed with your response.  I already know that you are disappointed that this has been raised at all.  And you are, of course, entitled to your opinion and to express it, as indeed, is anyone here.

On another point: this is raised in the "About this Site" section because it is about this site.

And we don't have an "Off Topic" section but we do have a "General Discussion" one.  I take that to mean a platform for discussion in general.

Once again, this comes down to an opinion about what ought or ought not to be aired here and how debate or discussion should be conducted.  It could be seen as narrow and exclusive versus open and inclusive.  Do we want to attract the widest possible involvement here, draw in those who would otherwise feel excluded (for whatever reason), be a welcoming window to the world of classical music - or not?

My original point was that there was once a time when the forum was more open and welcoming to all levels of interest, experience and expertise.

My "disappointment" was that you seem to see that as some kind of threat - and why-ever should you?

Vic.

 

 

 

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Chris to son: Ah! Those were the days.....

Son to Chris: Dad, you're getting old!

Chris A.Gnostic

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Vic, I did not misunderstand. I just explained that someone who is diappointed cannot embrace a happy and positive tone, if he/she has to express him/herself.

I believe "digression" cannot possibly be a part of any site of Classical Music (or of any specialised forum), just because it is well conducted. Therefore, the question you raise in your fourth paragraph is artificial. There is nothing "narrow or exclusive" and I'm sure anyone who feels he/she has something to say on Classical Music issues, he/she feels free to join the forum.

So, in sum, the "threat" comes from this sort of understanding that digression is O.K., as long as it is well-intentioned and conducted. Digression of any kind cannot represent "the widest possible involvement" and cannot constitute any sort of a "welcoming window to the world of classical music".

Parla

 

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Parla,

I am happy to leave this issue to others' judgement now. Hopefully you can do the same.

Clearly, you have problems with disagreement.  Not a good basis for rational discourse on any issue.

Vic.

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In any case, (almost) the whole thread was our exchanges, Vic. So, yes, let's see if someone else is interested...I will be more than fascinated, if there is anyone out there, wishing to endorse digression as a form of rational discourse.

Parla

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